March 2016 Indian Car Sales Figures
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After five months of continuous fall in passenger vehicle sales, Tata Motors, got back to growth path in April. 7.9% growth in Passenger vehicles. Its Tiago effect ![[:)]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Smile.gif "Smile [:)]")
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Tata's official statement attributes the growth in its UV segment
Similarly the total count 11161 compared to 8386 is 33% increase in MoM figures.
Well I had anticipated close to a 4-5K numbers of tiago however there seems to be a 2-3K dispatches done. hopefully more would come in may.
Sure VW has emissions issue, but they never compromise on safety,ride,handling,comfort,quality,features, etc
And even today the Baleno is way too pathetic before Polo as a premium hatch back,
See all brands have weakness but the weakness shouldn't be safety, as thats the only thing that keeps customer alive
MSIL has just 1 market left on earth, thats India and they are exploiting us to the maximum, as posted above Suzuki is even almost broken even in the their own nation,
That means MSIL is the one that represents the global Suzuki now and we Indians are their biggest market and I feel its the Indian engineers in MSIL who has to take responsibility in making better cars from MSIL rather than milking Indian customer by making huge sales chart success
And even today the Baleno is way too pathetic before Polo as a premium hatch back,
See all brands have weakness but the weakness shouldn't be safety, as thats the only thing that keeps customer alive
MSIL has just 1 market left on earth, thats India and they are exploiting us to the maximum, as posted above Suzuki is even almost broken even in the their own nation,
That means MSIL is the one that represents the global Suzuki now and we Indians are their biggest market and I feel its the Indian engineers in MSIL who has to take responsibility in making better cars from MSIL rather than milking Indian customer by making huge sales chart success
For having a perspective of the World car market, India is currently the 5th largest. So having a foothold in India is a good thing even when Global Brands are present. Market depends on the perception and overall experience of ownership, that is the key to success!
Give credit when due, it is not an easy task to be a leader for decades and more so having protected the market share.
Give credit when due, it is not an easy task to be a leader for decades and more so having protected the market share.
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Pollution is more danger to mankind. Safety, ride, handling, comfort, quality, features, etc are later.
-suryaputhra
-suryaputhra
Please answer my question,
5 star SWifts for Europe while 0 star SWifts for India
Do you feel thats how one should be, double standards and that despite India being so damn loyal to MSIL for the past 30 years
OK, leave safety if you dont bother about your friends and family, at least give products that have better performance,handling,comfort,features,ride,insulation,quality,features than its competition!
Also how are MSIL cars priced right now,
Just check this out, if they are making inferior cars, make their list prices too inferior
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In every metric way the competition is ahead of MSIL cars, and yet MSIL sells more just because of that 30 years in India banner and the 1800+ dealer access,
@vm2011
See my point is MSIL remains best seller in India not because their cars are good or not because they have beat other brands in aspects, its just because they got home advantage way before most other brands set their foot in India,
Eg: Ford 2nd is best seller in USA and best seller in UK(best seller in UK because they set their foot far before most other brands set right foots at UK)
VW is best seller in Germany and Europe(home advantage)+ product brilliance across Europe
Same way in India MSIL was the 1st one to set its big foot, since MSIL is at huge loss in its home country Japan, it shifted to India and we made them grow to what it is as of now, and yet they dont give us the deserved safety standards,deserved capability with products, they just release products and regardless of whether they being good or bad, our people buy them since they are too inclined to resale,mileage,etc
Isn't it MSILs responsibility to give us better products ? despite making them shine 5th(MSILs Indian market share is just 60% as of now,30% by HYundai and rest 10% others )best in global market?![[confused]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Confused.gif "Confused [confused]")
5 star SWifts for Europe while 0 star SWifts for India
Do you feel thats how one should be, double standards and that despite India being so damn loyal to MSIL for the past 30 years
OK, leave safety if you dont bother about your friends and family, at least give products that have better performance,handling,comfort,features,ride,insulation,quality,features than its competition!
Also how are MSIL cars priced right now,
Just check this out, if they are making inferior cars, make their list prices too inferior
Petrol pricing
Instant Free New Car Price Quote - CarWale
Diesel pricing
Instant Free New Car Price Quote - CarWale
Petrol
Instant Free New Car Price Quote - CarWale
Diesel
Instant Free New Car Price Quote - CarWale
In every metric way the competition is ahead of MSIL cars, and yet MSIL sells more just because of that 30 years in India banner and the 1800+ dealer access,
@vm2011
See my point is MSIL remains best seller in India not because their cars are good or not because they have beat other brands in aspects, its just because they got home advantage way before most other brands set their foot in India,
Eg: Ford 2nd is best seller in USA and best seller in UK(best seller in UK because they set their foot far before most other brands set right foots at UK)
VW is best seller in Germany and Europe(home advantage)+ product brilliance across Europe
Same way in India MSIL was the 1st one to set its big foot, since MSIL is at huge loss in its home country Japan, it shifted to India and we made them grow to what it is as of now, and yet they dont give us the deserved safety standards,deserved capability with products, they just release products and regardless of whether they being good or bad, our people buy them since they are too inclined to resale,mileage,etc
Isn't it MSILs responsibility to give us better products ? despite making them shine 5th(MSILs Indian market share is just 60% as of now,30% by HYundai and rest 10% others )best in global market?
Well its no brainer, the suzukis and hyundais and Toyota all dish out inferior products to indian masses. Infact the Suzukis have a marked difference in the gauge of steel used in body panels for india and rest of the world.
For the rest of the foreign manufacturers I dont have concrete data hence cant comment. Tata on other hand have the same spec for cars in India and abroad.
If you go to Suzuki showroom and ask for ABS and airbags they dissuade you. I have seen this in Mumbai (I have spoken to dealer in my locality where i live) in Pune when my BIL went to buy Dzire, in Hyd when I had casually been there for looking at new launches.
2 states , 3 cities similar reply dissuading me from going for airbags. Why? It is not an age old story its happened in the last 6-8 months. They know indians prime objecctive is money so they build cheap products and make the cars look VFM with gadgets et al.
I would call them tin cans.
now coming to the preferences, Suzuki still rules the roost. They make what we yearn for and make us ignore some basics necessities. We have a Wagon R and Dzire and I have my storme. My bro is thinking to go for Zest after waggie. Not sure of my dad (he may opt for hyundai or toyota or may be tata again. So slowly after using Maruti products we are on the process of moving away from them.
Said that there are quite a few of my family friends who are staunch suzuki supporters and swear by them.
For the rest of the foreign manufacturers I dont have concrete data hence cant comment. Tata on other hand have the same spec for cars in India and abroad.
If you go to Suzuki showroom and ask for ABS and airbags they dissuade you. I have seen this in Mumbai (I have spoken to dealer in my locality where i live) in Pune when my BIL went to buy Dzire, in Hyd when I had casually been there for looking at new launches.
2 states , 3 cities similar reply dissuading me from going for airbags. Why? It is not an age old story its happened in the last 6-8 months. They know indians prime objecctive is money so they build cheap products and make the cars look VFM with gadgets et al.
I would call them tin cans.
now coming to the preferences, Suzuki still rules the roost. They make what we yearn for and make us ignore some basics necessities. We have a Wagon R and Dzire and I have my storme. My bro is thinking to go for Zest after waggie. Not sure of my dad (he may opt for hyundai or toyota or may be tata again. So slowly after using Maruti products we are on the process of moving away from them.
Said that there are quite a few of my family friends who are staunch suzuki supporters and swear by them.
MSIL sells more cars so take accidents list for past five years and how many MSIL cars involved in fatal accidents and bifurcate with other so safety cars involved in similar fatal accidents and outcome of that accident, make graph and come to conclusion.
-suryaputhra
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Isn't it MSILs responsibility to give us better products ? despite making them shine 5th(MSILs Indian market share is just 60% as of now,30% by HYundai and rest 10% others )best in global market?
Please check the paint quality of wagonR /Alto especially on the bumpers its pathetic but that's the visible part. All swifts/dzire other than ZDI variants have the worst braking compared to their peers. These cars should come with a warning stickers on windshield not to exceed 100kmph since they come with 2000bucks 165/80 jk tyres.
Then there are upteen discussions going on Tiago AC , guys I urge you to check the Ciaz/ Ertiga AC in today's weather. But we should not discuss any of these points because being Maruti we can get it serviced any where and when the time comes to sell it anybody will be ready to buy it, again for the same reasons.
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Auto sales is on a roll while some companies like Honda and Toyota, Volkswagen and Nissan continue to see decline in sales. Renault shines on its latest K(W)ID, but slows a steady decline in the other cars in its portfolio
Source- Business Standard
Source- Business Standard
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What do you mean man, see our responsibility is to avoid accidents and prioritize safety at any cost, see the self realization is most important,
See I own a Figo 2010 zxi, and for me it made me understood how important safety is with some incidents,
2011 November, I made a trip to Tirunelveli from Trivandrum, it is a 150 km trip, on the highway there were road works going on and there was an overbridge under construction, so as I was climbing the rise of overbridge at 100+ kmph speeds at the top of incline, suddenly a mad man appeared, I had no time to brake as he was too close, there were 3 on board including me, I just trusted my machines insane GRIP and HPS and enormous front end agility to avoid a mishap, I was surprised how fast and eager the Fords front end sliced the situation without any drama,
See it was Figos insane front end grip and traction and handling that saved the day, many people asked me, whats importance of handling on our roads, why we need stiff dampers that keep car in absolute control, why steering feel?
All matters when it comes to safety, European cars are built with all these encapsulated under their strong skin, I am sure no Suzuki even under 15 lakhs can rival my Figos eagerness in following what my heart desired at that situation, even I was surprised to see how well my Figo obeyed me like an obedient pet, a slight steering slack,dead center or under steer could have made a huge difference
after that too I have witnessed numerous accidents near Technopark area, mostly between muvs like Innova and travera etc and small Altos,Swifts etc and I dont want to share those experiences, because they were too much for me to describe,
So I never ever take safety for granted, I will happily take an unreliable car over an unsafe car,
I dont have solid evidence to show you that MSIl cars have highest number of fatalities, but studies have shown that India has worlds most dangerous road safety issues, and hence I never take a chance and since I am an automobile enthusiast will always prefer and suggest a safe car to my family and friends whenever I can, sadly MSIL despite being in India for over 30 years in market never comes to my recommended car lists.
Never keep on checking how many died, and how many injured etc, just keep safety as top priority when buying a car above all,
See I own a Figo 2010 zxi, and for me it made me understood how important safety is with some incidents,
2011 November, I made a trip to Tirunelveli from Trivandrum, it is a 150 km trip, on the highway there were road works going on and there was an overbridge under construction, so as I was climbing the rise of overbridge at 100+ kmph speeds at the top of incline, suddenly a mad man appeared, I had no time to brake as he was too close, there were 3 on board including me, I just trusted my machines insane GRIP and HPS and enormous front end agility to avoid a mishap, I was surprised how fast and eager the Fords front end sliced the situation without any drama,
See it was Figos insane front end grip and traction and handling that saved the day, many people asked me, whats importance of handling on our roads, why we need stiff dampers that keep car in absolute control, why steering feel?
All matters when it comes to safety, European cars are built with all these encapsulated under their strong skin, I am sure no Suzuki even under 15 lakhs can rival my Figos eagerness in following what my heart desired at that situation, even I was surprised to see how well my Figo obeyed me like an obedient pet, a slight steering slack,dead center or under steer could have made a huge difference
after that too I have witnessed numerous accidents near Technopark area, mostly between muvs like Innova and travera etc and small Altos,Swifts etc and I dont want to share those experiences, because they were too much for me to describe,
So I never ever take safety for granted, I will happily take an unreliable car over an unsafe car,
I dont have solid evidence to show you that MSIl cars have highest number of fatalities, but studies have shown that India has worlds most dangerous road safety issues, and hence I never take a chance and since I am an automobile enthusiast will always prefer and suggest a safe car to my family and friends whenever I can, sadly MSIL despite being in India for over 30 years in market never comes to my recommended car lists.
Never keep on checking how many died, and how many injured etc, just keep safety as top priority when buying a car above all,
Rightly said and agreed.
As harness designer by profession(5Yrs), reading various reviews and following different auto forums since last 2 years here I come to know that Suzuki cars having less gauge of steel used in body panels.
At time of purchasing my TATA car last year, I have suggested for MS Swift in my family, my father in law(teacher by profession) suddenly react and said no MS cars please, if I push swift from back side by hand it will have dent on panel(even I don't know this that time![[surprise]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Surprise.gif "Surprise [surprise]")
). This become major deciding factor for me while chosing car. So dropped the option of Swift and went for TATA on this point only.
As harness designer by profession(5Yrs), reading various reviews and following different auto forums since last 2 years here I come to know that Suzuki cars having less gauge of steel used in body panels.
At time of purchasing my TATA car last year, I have suggested for MS Swift in my family, my father in law(teacher by profession) suddenly react and said no MS cars please, if I push swift from back side by hand it will have dent on panel(even I don't know this that time
). This become major deciding factor for me while chosing car. So dropped the option of Swift and went for TATA on this point only.
@Ksdr
MSIL uses excellent tech Variable displacement AC compressor which is used in high end cars below source link.
Sanden Vikas
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MSIL uses excellent tech Variable displacement AC compressor which is used in high end cars below source link.
Sanden Vikas
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A lot is being said about safety star rating of cars in this thread.
But it should be noted that in the past many of the renowned car manufacturers have at some point in history failed to meet the basic safety standard set by a country. So it will not be appropriate to talk about one particular manufacturer.
Also I am not sure if Indian Road Safety Standards are at par with what developed nations have. The standards in developing nations in most cases may be inferior to developed nations. And if MSIL meets the specifications set by India that is enough as of now.
To address this different levels of safety standards offered for same model of a car the world may need to follow a uniform Road Safety Standard and manufacturers should be asked to follow them. The local regulations need to be strong enough to ensure safer cars on road.
But it should be noted that in the past many of the renowned car manufacturers have at some point in history failed to meet the basic safety standard set by a country. So it will not be appropriate to talk about one particular manufacturer.
Also I am not sure if Indian Road Safety Standards are at par with what developed nations have. The standards in developing nations in most cases may be inferior to developed nations. And if MSIL meets the specifications set by India that is enough as of now.
To address this different levels of safety standards offered for same model of a car the world may need to follow a uniform Road Safety Standard and manufacturers should be asked to follow them. The local regulations need to be strong enough to ensure safer cars on road.
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