Best Entry Level Diesel Sedan: Manza / Dzire / Etios / Fiesta Classic

[Vishwas]

But Swift and Dzire both are strict 4 seater cars. In the entry level sedan segment, And when we say 4 people, its meant for average to below average built people in India. The reason why Dzire sells so much is well known - the "S" badge and its reliability in India. Else, look or design wise, there is nothing much to talk about here.

Think you haven't seen the rear seat or travelled in the new Dzire, Swift and old desire are cramped i agree, but they have revived the seats such that people sit in high position which in turn makes the ride comfortable.

Dzire is probably the least spacious among all, both in terms of interior space and comfort and boot space.

Its the fiesta which has least space in the rear seats, where three average sized adults cannot sit abreast where it makes longer journeys uncomfortable.

the sail sedan blows the dezire in space ,drivability,ride quality ,boot space IMHO in looks too its the most vfm entry level sedan at the moment.

Oh yes really and i agree and for 7.60 lakhs you get 1.3 diesel with better feature unlike dzire. My point is that Dzire is not a car which is to be abandoned completely, have a look at the interiors and drive it once, you will really like it.

 

[alexddas]

But Swift and Dzire both are strict 4 seater cars. In the entry level sedan segment, Dzire is probably the least spacious among all, both in terms of interior space and comfort and boot space. And when we say 4 people, its meant for average to below average built people in India. The reason why Dzire sells so much is well known - the "S" badge and its reliability in India. Else, look or design wise, there is nothing much to talk about here.

By the time we talk of dezire it sells or confirms sale at least one unit of it.

With its badge and reliability it sells more and none even nearer to it.

The UVA sail sedanD with fiat's reliability on engine,with the company's service package and added facilities have a chance in future to give a decent fight to the current best seller.

A price drop or a huge discount on their cars from other competitors can be expected too..

 

[Raja]

By the time we talk of dezire it sells or confirms sale at least one unit of it.

With its badge and reliability it sells more and none even nearer to it.

The UVA sail sedanD with fiat's reliability on engine,with the company's service package and added facilities have a chance in future to give a decent fight to the current best seller.

A price drop or a huge discount on their cars from other competitors can be expected too..

just 1 correction the engine in sail and uva is not just fiats engine it is actually co devloped by GM and fiat so even they own it , and hence they don't have to pay any royalty to fiat like Tata or maruti . GM can tweak it the way the want and they have done a super job with the sail sedan and the gear box is pleasure to use .

 

[maranprashanth]

Guys compare only Ford Classic, M&M logan TATA Manza,Etios now the most value for money is SAIL sedan don't waste time in Indigo eCS & swift dzire

 

[alexddas]

just 1 correction the engine in sail and uva is not just fiats engine it is actually co devloped by GM and fiat so even they own it , and hence they don't have to pay any royalty to fiat like Tata or maruti . GM can tweak it the way the want and they have done a super job with the sail sedan and the gear box is pleasure to use .

Is it? that's what reflects in the pricing and the added facilities.

Now i think the game is on.

@maran

You have to wait some more period to ignore Dezire.If Dezire goes down it will take all the other competitors with it.

 

[Vishwas]

Guys compare only Ford Classic, M&M logan TATA Manza,Etios now the most value for money is SAIL sedan

Then why Dzire is on the top of the list?

M&M logan which is now verito is good for taxi purposes only, same case with Etios, Manza is all about space space and nothing at all.

don't waste time in Indigo eCS & swift dzire

Sorry pal, but both vehicles are good in their own perspective.

 

[autosafari]

Manza is all about space space and nothing at all.

After driving Manza for two years, I don't understand your statement. Or may be I can't agree with you.

Either you know too much about Manza or you have not driven or travelled in it for sufficient time/distance to understand properly.

 

[Gurrala74]

Then why Dzire is on the top of the list?

Because of Maruti's Swift record and madness, proven and reliable and because of the service and spares cost and support, That's it nothing great and it is not even Compact Sedan according to me. It is just Swiffft

M&M logan which is now verito is good for taxi purposes only, same case with Etios, Manza is all about space space and nothing at all.

I completely differ with you about Manza as it is not the one which should be compared with Etios(poor in all depts), Verito at all, it is not just about space, but lot of others, just check Manza CC, drive it and then write about it please

 

[Raja]

Oh yes really and i agree and for 7.60 lakhs you get 1.3 diesel with better feature unlike dzire. My point is that Dzire is not a car which is to be abandoned completely, have a look at the interiors and drive it once, you will really like it.

I have driven the swift extensively and dezire also for a good amount of time , its not that they are bad cars by any stretch of imagination , its just that I do not find them ultimate any more .
Dezire is good as a compact sedan , but why should I buy a relatively cramped car when I get a full sized sedan with same engine which is better tuned and has a superb ride quality and good amount of features in a sail sedan ? Plus 5 years warranty on transmission and 3 years warranty on the car .

Swift dezire is a potent force and we being in India and being Indians one can't discard any product from maruti call it herd mentality or whatever .

But the fact remains there are more superior options now in the market and one must keep a open mind to look at them .

 

[maranprashanth]

@Vishwas: Do you know driving? Manza's engine power First in Class steering control,the Rear seat is equal to C-class not said by me but the Autocar editor itself VFM car

Etios bears the same engine as the Corolla D and its a problem free vehicle except the first series had the rear bearing problem otherwise TOYOTA brand value

The Old dzire except for the rear leg room it was great bu the new Dzire doesn't have much difference with its sibbling.

Verito is not mmeant for Taxi but its relablity,mileage and maintance made Taxi owners like it that much now in M&M brand is doing very good in terms of ride and reliablity but due to the Renault launch previously now the people are not intressted to own that the reason.

Maruti Vehicles are driver movers and not people movers except the SX4(that too since a JV between FIAT & Suzuki only made and marketed by the Maruti)

 

[Vishwas]

Because of Maruti's Swift record and madness, proven and reliable and because of the service and spares cost and support,

That is enough for a buyer to pour his hard earned money

That's it nothing great and it is not even Compact Sedan according to me. It is just Swiffft

Great then! it does not have competitors at all, hence dzire is proved a better car for a person who looks for a well reliable, at the PAR performance and good features.

I completely differ with you about Manza as it is not the one which should be compared with Etios(poor in all depts), Verito at all, it is not just about space, but lot of others, just check Manza CC, drive it and then write about it please

Oh yes i agree Etios no where comes near to manza in interiors, performance and all.Please do check out the dzire sir, i too was criticizing when it was launched, it's really good except for the exteriors and alloy wheels.

I have driven the swift extensively and dezire also for a good amount of time , its not that they are bad cars by any stretch of imagination , its just that I do not find them ultimate any more .
Dezire is good as a compact sedan , but why should I buy a relatively cramped car when I get a full sized sedan with same engine which is better tuned and has a superb ride quality and good amount of features in a sail sedan ? Plus 5 years warranty on transmission and 3 years warranty on the car .

But the fact remains there are more superior options now in the market and one must keep a open mind to look at them .

Please drive the new dzire not the old one,the old one is next to waste, looks ugly, cramped interiors, but not with the new one.

@Vishwas: Do you know driving? Manza's engine power First in Class steering control,the Rear seat is equal to C-class not said by me but the Autocar editor itself VFM car

I find this statement a bit harsh buddy, i don't have nothing against manza whatsoever is concerned. Nobody said Manza isn't VFM either. Please post in peaceful manner next time.

Etios bears the same engine as the Corolla D and its a problem free vehicle

I don't want to put money only for engine.

except the first series had the rear bearing problem otherwise TOYOTA brand value

If there is a problem is such a brand value car, why should the company say it is reliable?

The Old dzire except for the rear leg room it was great bu the new Dzire doesn't have much difference with its sibbling.

Please do visit the showroom and have a look the new dzire, only then real difference will be known, i meant to say was MS has got the feedbacks from the old dzire and improved it in the newer version.

Verito is not mmeant for Taxi but its relablity,mileage and maintance made Taxi owners like it that much now in M&M brand is doing very good in terms of ride and reliablity but due to the Renault launch previously now the people are not intressted to own that the reason.

Maybe true, but i find too less white boards of Veritos around, maybe people are waiting for sub-4 meters one.

Maruti Vehicles are driver movers and not people movers except the SX4(that too since a JV between FIAT & Suzuki only made and marketed by the Maruti)

Quite agree with you here, but don't forget the tag reliable and low cost of ownership too

 

[Raja]

@ vishwas

What is so great about new dezire ? it is same as the swift in space and iam sorry and no offence to its owners its downright ugly .

I think you need to take a long 200 Kms drive in a dezire , manza and sail sedan to understand the comfort and space and ride quality .

Again my question why should I buy a cramped sedan when I can get a full sized sedan with better warranty , space , engine , gear box and looks ( subjective ) ?

And cost of ownership will be same in both the cars . Iam using a Chevy spark and I can assure you Chevy gives better built cars , the car dosent rattle like wagon r .

Chevy sedan is a solidly built car and iam not understanding what great interiors are you talking in dezire here its same as swift just a dose of beige .

And since I have driven dezire iam saying gear box and driveability is better in sail sedan then dezire ., I think now its you who need to drive the sail , manza to understand what they offer .

Have you driven or travelled in a manza or a sail sedan ?

 

[anand_953]

Because of Maruti's Swift record and madness, proven and reliable and because of the service and spares cost and support, That's it nothing great and it is not even Compact Sedan according to me. It is just Swiffft



I completely differ with you about Manza as it is not the one which should be compared with Etios(poor in all depts), Verito at all, it is not just about space, but lot of others, just check Manza CC, drive it and then write about it please

Well, Etios is not poor in all departments. Its engine is one of the most reliable in any given segment. Space is comparable to the best in the segment. The only bad thing is its sub par interiors. Thats all ! Again, i haven't heard even one person complaining about Etios for its drivability, engine quality and reliability factors. The only thing they crib about is its interiors.


And one more thing. You are basing your arguments just on the number of units that are sold for Dzire. Come on, that way Alto sells more than any car in India. Does that mean its the best car in the country? There is a concept called as Risk taking. And Maruti cars are there in the Indian market since ages. Ofcourse any product they launch will have some or the other takers who look much beyond space, looks and design. And what are those factors? - All that Maruti cars are famous for :)

 

[maranprashanth]

@Raja: Fact Fact he needs to take a long test drive and comment Vishwas seems to be only with showroom appearence

@Vishwas : In terms of Space at the rear seat Dzire fails,And the Etios i agree to your comments.
BIG YES to maruti though they don't cover Kms like TATA TOYOTA and M&M they have very reliable and effective service centre and help customer a lot and quick reactions towards the problems.

 

[sukanta]

So the compact/Entry level sedan is heating up well..
Now as a owner of Aveo (2.5 yr.. the car is 7 yr old) I can point out something about chevrolet in-general.
Build quality is top notch. Not a single rattle in this 7 yr old car.
Previous Aveo has a interior much better than the rivals. It can even hold up against entry D segment.
Spears are bit expensive than Maruti equivalent. but Maruti is increasing there spare cost way to more.
It do have it's weaknees also. It's engine is neither rev happy nor fuel efficient. It produce way more bhp than rivals just to counter the body weight( my car is 1200kg against ~900kg of old desire),
Like desire its only had safety on highest varient

So why I am telling all those stuff about a car which already discountined. Its because I pays a visit in chevrolet dealer for a "dekho". the following what I find about the car
1. Baby cruze front is good.
2. Paint quality (or the waxing for display unit?) is really superb.
3. Interior is bad compared to my aveo. But it still better than the current lot in segment), Though I rather say if they can make the steering wheel in contracting color would have been nice,
4.Boot space is good enough, again smaller than my aveo but very nicely packaged. It should be enough for Airport run
5. Leg space for backseater is good enough, and the seat are on harder side. But has good underthing supports.
for boot space and rear leg space there is no comperason with dezire, it just doesn't hold candle.
Interior is subjective, but its doesn't look bad IMHO. It more suited to the family person than young flare in dezire, but SAIL does show how much premium/profit Maruti making in every dezire... I for one won't be very happy to learn that. ( I mean I care a penny for brand.. I need more bang for bucks)