What is Your Definition For “Fun To Drive”?


Which is your definition for fun to drive?

  • Responsive engine

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • Amazing handling

    Votes: 25 67.6%

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Re: What is Your Definition For “Fun To Drive”?

Definitely fun is not just the power and being quicker. I have been into Jeep4x4 with no roof and with manual steering. it was slow, but kind of handling and road everywhere attitude of that vehicle is what fun truly is, where sedan and suv has to come a long way.

+1 on that. As Einstein said, everything is relative. So is fun. As I wrote in my earlier post, drive a Gypsy in Ladakh and see what it does to your driving. 80 odd bhp, 0-100 in God knows how many seconds, roll-on figures that would make even a Leo driver blush, high speed handling of a drunken elephant walking on a tightrope, cornering abilities of a boat on high sea, but but but - one only has to take it off road to know what fun is.
 
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By Lancer EX do you mean Evolution X? That would be unfair comparing a Laura to an Evolution X. If you are going to bring in Evolution X then a fair comparison would be to bring in the Bmw 525d! Does the Lancer handle better than a BMW?
Buddy not Evolution X. Lancer EX is just the newest gen Lancer. It looks great and also drives great. And I think the Lancer has what it takes to take the fight to Lauras and Jettas.
 
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@ Jayadev Yes definitely fun does not mean power. Ask me i have one powerful car but it's no where fun to drive or joy to drive. I like driving Vento more than my car , Rapid must be even better!


@ Archit Oh okay , i think we don't have that in India so can't comment. I am not trying to say all Japs are poor handlers , most Japs are poor(only Indian cars) , some are good , some are really good but still i think they can't match the dynamics of the Europeans.
 
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Re: What is your definition for Fun to drive?

Guys,after reading the views of all of you people,I came back with same reply:-

See buddy,here is my take on various terms:-
1):Handling:Handling may be defined as how your car responds to the steering inputs or how it negotiates the corners etc.Handling generally comprises of three factors namely suspension,body control and steering responsiveness(Understeer or oversteer) and how the car behaves on it.

2):Ride quality:Ride quality is the way your car behaves on various surfaces.It is due to aerodynamics that as the speed increases the front of the car feels higher downforce as compared to the rear,now if the suspension is very soft then it will cause wobbling motions even on even surfaces like you can see in VW Vento and Hyundai Verna,while if the suspension is neither hard nor soft then car behaves quite good at high speeds but it shows this wobbling motion during turning or steering inputs like you can see in Toyota Corolla,Honda City,Civic,Optra etc.While if the suspension is tight then the ride at high speeds is very planted like in Skoda Laura,Ford Fiesta 'S',Mitsubishi Lancer Cedia and many sport cars.
So,you can say that ride depends on two factors,namely suspension and body control.

3):Performance:People have a misconception that performance means just how the engine behaves to throttle response.But being true performance consists of two factors namely throttle response and in-gear response.
Throttle response means how the car behaves on sudden throttle inputs as well as throttle over run(engine braking you an call it).It depends on two factors,power and torque and these two factors depends on a master factor called 'REV RANGE',why?
Because no engine performs at its best throughout the rev range.Some engine have good low end(Maruti Suzuki MPFi engine from Alto,Zen and Wagon-R(older)),some have good mid range(Most of the turbocharged diesel engines) and some have good top end(Honda i-vtec).So youcan say that performance depends on how the engine responds to the throttle inputs in any rev range.
While in-gear performance depends on the gear ratios,for longer gear ratios generally speeds are higher while for shorter gear ratios you will get better acceleration.Like in Fiat Linea due to longer gear ratios it is faster than SX4 while due to shorter ratios SX4 accelerates faster to 100 kph.

4):Engine response:As mentioned above..:biggrin:

5):Body roll and cornering:Body roll depends on three factors namely weight distribution throughout the vehicle,center of gravity and suspension.
Body roll means how much the vehicle has the tendency to turn turtle while negotiating corners.
If the weight distribution throughout the vehicle is uniform then the whole vehicle will feel the centrifugal(outside pushing)force and hence the force gets distributed equally and less body roll is felt.
If center of gravity is higher like in SUVs then body roll is higher.
If suspension is on softer side,then also it results in feeling of higher body roll.You can feel it significantly in Vento and Verna while Rapid which is a Vento with tougher suspension is more planted and lesser body roll is felt in it.
Cornering,simple it is,how the car behaves while negotiating corners.



No doubt,Laura is better than Civic,but not the nose heavy TDI,only TSI handles better than Civic.
While new Jetta is really better but older was not as good as Civic if handling is concerned.


Well,there is nothing like that,many japs like Lancer,Honda City,Nissan GT-R have already set benchmarks for ride and handling.
But yes,they are very few as compared to the European army of such cars.
Buddy I have 07 Hyundai Sonata known as Sonata Transform in India. It has a V6 engine and bro that car is so much fun to drive. The reason it has a very good and responsivve engine and the stability of the car is just wonderful. I have driven this car on a plain road, snow, bit off - roading, mountains, place where there were no roads. And beacause of its stability the control of the vehicle is really awesome. And i change lanes easily at speeds of 100-110 mph (160-170 kmph). It gives you a that confidence when you drive it.
Buddy,I don't know what Hyundai sells out of India,what I know is that in India you get soft-footed Hyundais which lack high speed ride,handling and body control.
 
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Re: What is your definition for Fun to drive?

Guys,after reading the views of all of you people,I came back with same reply:-




Buddy,I don't know what Hyundai sells out of India,what I know is that in India you get soft-footed Hyundais which lack high speed ride,handling and body control.
Yes that is something i guess we can't compare, the models sold in India and Outside India. But mine looks exactly like the Sonata Transform. But the difference might be in the engine and the tire size, i guess. Because i have a V6 engine.

You can check my ownership thread for my Sonata.
 
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Just being light doesn't mean it does not have a high speed stability.

Most of the cars like the i10 are set up for drivers that want to have a very soft ride. The car might appear to not able to handle high speeds. But the reality is that they do.

If you think your car is too soft then you can go up one size in rims and/or use slightly stiffer coils.

The lighter the car, the better the handling. this is why I like my small Fiats. My current fastest Cinquecento is at the moment at 160bhp/ton including driver. It is far off its capabilities now being increased to 210bhp/ton. the top speed on the previous set up was before running into the limiter is 205kph and I have done this many a times without any handling issueswhen chasing bigger cars down the motor ways.

I have acquired another Seicento, which will get the T-Jet engine, which I have in bits at the moment. The Seicento weighs in higher than the Cinquecento, but the platform is identical. The car will get once finished in excess of 250bhp/ton and I will not be afraid to extend the gear ration for higher speeds.

Small cars can be made handling damn well and fats at the same time. This is what I consider fun.
 
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+1 to Raj , even i have driven i10 and it can't handle well. The steering is dead at high speeds and the ride is very bouncy in fact all Hyundai's are the same.


@ Drifter Sadly atleast 90% of the car owners in India don't do such modifications and drive only in stock mode. I was discussing only about stock cars , i agree any car can be made better with modifications.
 
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Re: What is Your Definition For “Fun To Drive”?

+1 to Raj , even i have driven i10 and it can't handle well. The steering is dead at high speeds and the ride is very bouncy in fact all Hyundai's are the same.


@ Drifter Sadly atleast 90% of the car owners in India don't do such modifications and drive only in stock mode. I was discussing only about stock cars , i agree any car can be made better with modifications.
IMO, Hyundais and Tatas with their soft suspensions are good only within the city.
 
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yes Hyundais and TATAs are strictly for cities. But I would say for Manza, it is somewhat better at highspeed though not the best.
 

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