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sudeepd said:
The below link says "Dont always use the clutch for changing up gears.
But Always use the clutch to change down through gears.
http://www.shell.com/home/content/in-en/shell_for_motorists/tips_for_motorists/biking_tips.html
Read the first two lines in 'Clutch Control' Section of Tips for You and Your Bike and reply this topic.
Does it mean that you should sometimes avoid using the clutch while upshifting the gears but always use the clutch while downshifting the gears?
But Always use the clutch to change down through gears.
http://www.shell.com/home/content/in-en/shell_for_motorists/tips_for_motorists/biking_tips.html
Read the first two lines in 'Clutch Control' Section of Tips for You and Your Bike and reply this topic.
Does it mean that you should sometimes avoid using the clutch while upshifting the gears but always use the clutch while downshifting the gears?
thackervijay said:
woh, have never heard of this before man, i mean doesnt you ruin your vehicle by doing so. You always need to use your clutch to change gears.
raj_5004 said:
as far as i have heard, if the engine is at the correct rpm, you do not need to use the clutch while upshifting. while downshifting, you will have to slow down enough to attain the correct rpm which is not always possible, so you will have to use the clutch.
but it is always advisable to use the clutch anyways, decreases wear and tear.
but it is always advisable to use the clutch anyways, decreases wear and tear.
sudeepd said:
But its Shell (World Famous Lubricants Manufacturer) which recommends that Dont always use the clutch for changing up gears.
See the URL. Its www.shell.com
But the 3rd point in Clutch Control of Tips for You and Your bike (Please check the URL Specified by me in 1st Post) says that "Good clutch control saves wear and tear on your gear box". Now whats this "Good Clutch Control" mean?
See the URL. Its www.shell.com
But the 3rd point in Clutch Control of Tips for You and Your bike (Please check the URL Specified by me in 1st Post) says that "Good clutch control saves wear and tear on your gear box". Now whats this "Good Clutch Control" mean?
Crazy Cat said:
A local mechanic has said the similar explanation said by raj. So I think that there shouldn't be any problem in shifting without clutch.
@sudeepd, these things vary from bike to bike. The Correct RPM should be the one at which the gear changes smoothly without any trouble. And the same goes for Clutch control too, I've seen some who slot the bike in first by holding clutch and wait for the signal even if it for a minute.
@sudeepd, these things vary from bike to bike. The Correct RPM should be the one at which the gear changes smoothly without any trouble. And the same goes for Clutch control too, I've seen some who slot the bike in first by holding clutch and wait for the signal even if it for a minute.
zinam said:
Oh!! this is really great info guys !!
Thats why i saw all MTC buesses here never uses Cluch while Upshifting, rather they use clutch only when downshifting.
I thought these guys are runing since these buses are not their propery. :)
Thats why i saw all MTC buesses here never uses Cluch while Upshifting, rather they use clutch only when downshifting.
I thought these guys are runing since these buses are not their propery. :)
sudeepd said:
@CC
I try to up shift (without Clutch, of course) around 2500-3000rpm. If done at correct rpm, the bike does not give jerk and the shift action is also positive (i.e., without any Gear shifting noise).
But if not done at correct rpm, the bike may give jerk while up shifting without clutch.
I tried shifting on our Indigo XL Dicor. Sometimes the gear used to engage properly, but sometimes the gear lever made noise while moving the lever from Neutral to Third (in process of Shfting from 2nd to 3rd).
I think I will have to practise more on an open road (less traffic) first and then take it in traffic.
Also as Indigo has Dry Clutch, I am unaware of the rpm to shift.
I try to up shift (without Clutch, of course) around 2500-3000rpm. If done at correct rpm, the bike does not give jerk and the shift action is also positive (i.e., without any Gear shifting noise).
But if not done at correct rpm, the bike may give jerk while up shifting without clutch.
I tried shifting on our Indigo XL Dicor. Sometimes the gear used to engage properly, but sometimes the gear lever made noise while moving the lever from Neutral to Third (in process of Shfting from 2nd to 3rd).
I think I will have to practise more on an open road (less traffic) first and then take it in traffic.
Also as Indigo has Dry Clutch, I am unaware of the rpm to shift.
Crazy Cat said:
Thanks sudeepd.
I found that it is quite easy to do in bikes but is difficult in cars. I succeeded in bringing it to neutral, but not able to engage gears.
I found that it is quite easy to do in bikes but is difficult in cars. I succeeded in bringing it to neutral, but not able to engage gears.
sudeepd said:
I face the same problem.
I think the cars having Dry Clutch face this problem. They allow to shift to Neutral but stop from engaging gears.
Yesterday also I tried shifting from 2nd to 3rd without clutch. The Gear Lever shifted to Neutral Smoothly (without clutch) but as I tried to push the Gear Lever from Neutral to 3rd, it refused to move :shock: . Then I depressed the Clutch and Engaged 3rd Gear (from Neutral). :x
I think the cars having Dry Clutch face this problem. They allow to shift to Neutral but stop from engaging gears.
Yesterday also I tried shifting from 2nd to 3rd without clutch. The Gear Lever shifted to Neutral Smoothly (without clutch) but as I tried to push the Gear Lever from Neutral to 3rd, it refused to move :shock: . Then I depressed the Clutch and Engaged 3rd Gear (from Neutral). :x
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