Maruti Suzuki's New Sedan: Ciaz (Codenamed YL1)

[enigne]

After long search for car for family short listed ciaz zxi. Doing negotiations with sai service and my car in hinjewadi. sai service giving me 3000 rs free accessories and my car offering 5000 rs free accessories. will again bargain for more discounts. the extended warranty is worth 14k and 12k respectively. is it worth going for extended warranty. can i buy later. planning for seat covers and steering cover. any suggestions where can i get a good deal or should i buy from dealer with the discounts. about floor mat not able to make my mind where do i buy any sugestions?

[Volksjäger]

Originally Posted by prasanth11

March 2015 sales of Ciaz settled around 4k. But City sales zoomed to 9700.
Seems ciaz loosing its flare much earlier than anticipated and indeed helping city ever than before to capture potential buyers.
I was still in dilemma to choose between Ciaz and City..
Having already booked Zdi of Ciaz,I kept the decision on pause since almost 2 months
I expected ciaz to be complete package from Maruti, and booked in October 2014 itself even I have intetion to change car in JAN 2015 not to miss opportunity to have a hold on Ciaz.
But It was disappointing by Maruti mainly Engine and Some external designing.
I dont understand the strategy of maruti..They want to take headon to Honda City still they create a bland design (even though the prototype much much better in design - i expected production version much better than current version).

My choices were almost zeroed down to ZDi+ to VMT of City Diesel
or ZDI or SVMT of City Diesel Price range is 12 to 13 Lakh on road.
I am sure I will keep the car for another 5-6 yr min.
My main concerns for Car as potential spender of 13 lakhs..
1. I want car to be contemporary in design and future proof (atleast half future proof) - i dont want my car to get phased out car after 1 yr.. Look at Honda city 3rd gen or 4th gen..even Verna they look much better on road. But Ciaz will definitely loose its presence after an yr or Two. It urged a better exteriors..maruti simply ignored.
2. Engine.. may be they tuned 1.3 DDiS to get a smooth handling and ride quality.,in my opinion Capacity matter.. again Maruti ignored. what ever the reasons indigenous production of 1.5 L delayed blah blah.. ( As a customer i dont need such lame excuses ...Next yr When i See I see revamped Ciaz launched with 1.5L engine..My heart will get a pinch.. I am made a big fool by maruti Ciaz 1.3 L over choosing a City 1.5 L).

3.Rest of features as backseat comfort ,ride quality more or less on par with City.
Infoenterainment is good addition but not deal breaker
Tyre size and alloys they are offering on ZDI+ is a half deal breaker
Navigation is never never a bid deal...can buy aftermarket products or simply can use our mobiles..so as with tyres too..

In every aspect Ciaz loosing to City. (IMO)..
Only saving grace for CIAZ is MARUTI BADGE And its after sales service..

I am not still ruling out Ciaz completely coz its from Maruti..
Still I am in dilemma between Ciaz and City.. Need to finalise my decison in 15 days.
Test drove both vehicles twice.
My point if I opted out Ciaz could be Engine and Simple (people call it classic) designing .. City scoring many checkboxed but overpriced to ciaz. (city is under quipped be it tyres,info entertainment and some extra feature when compared ciaz )

I request owners of Ciaz pls help me and tell me about running cost and performance of Ciaz in real world and reactions of your friends and neighbours regarding your purchase over city.. obviously you could have looked to city before buying City and why you have choosen it)

I personally won't suggest you to buy Ciaz. It's a very sluggish car to drive. Especially in the city. And over all build quality of Maruti cars have declined. Ciaz is mainly for cheauffer driven. Buy city instead, it has Atleast got a better and more powerful engine. It doesn't feel sluggish at all. It has adequate power & also gives good mileage and hold its value for years. That class of cars deserves a minimum of 1500cc or above engines. So 1.5 DOhC I-Dtec is anyday a better car to drive when compared to 1248cc Multijet engine. There lies your answer. Thanks

[DJ bro]

Originally Posted by enigne

After long search for car for family short listed ciaz zxi. Doing negotiations with sai service and my car in hinjewadi. sai service giving me 3000 rs free accessories and my car offering 5000 rs free accessories. will again bargain for more discounts. the extended warranty is worth 14k and 12k respectively. is it worth going for extended warranty. can i buy later. planning for seat covers and steering cover. any suggestions where can i get a good deal or should i buy from dealer with the discounts. about floor mat not able to make my mind where do i buy any sugestions?

Watch the comparison of Autocarindia for some clarification. The Ciaz is not as sluggish as.other multijet engine cars. It has a linear power delivery now and quicker and quieter than the City diesel. Also the build is better than the City. It's a safer vfm choice.

[prasanth11]

after finally a long stretch of discussions and churning of mind,watching all videos including the video by autocar india on 8 sedan, i finally decided to go for City.
Primary reasons
Ciaz will phase out in looks quickly
Engine is underpowered and more importanly I dont want pay 12 Lakhs for 1248 cc engine.

I felt The autocar video is somewhat biased towards Ciaz, maruti somehow might have given its best shot behind the scenes.
How they could justify a 1248 engine is value for money ,in contrary its hefty hole in the pocket. City and Ciaz are price very closely than expected by prosperous customers like me. Pricing of Ciaz is never a deal breaker.
Maruti Just cashing on brand name and after sale service network to ride on a success for ciaz launch taking customers for a ride and granted.
Clearly its showing in March 2015 numbers
I dont think it doesnt change much in Apr sales either.
i wanted to be in Maruti family,waited for a cross launch too,Maruti as always late.
I need a car and booked City iDtec.

[enigne]

I am not looking for powerful engine but a comfortable car and spacious. also should not burn the pocket much . i find ciaz vfm.

[prasanth11]

^Congrats for choosing ciaz. Please post your review and personal experience.
Did you book car?
When is the delivery?

[enigne]

not booked yet will book in couple of days. will try to post ownership review.

[TAIDhana]

Ciaz is a good Choice.. you wont be disappointed with Maruti any day. By the way, looks like you are finalizing on petrol car - but some discussions in the thread are on diesel variant. Which one are you finalizing.

But as someone has pointed out, Maruti service is becoming worse day after day. In 36000kms of running, I have tried 2 different dealers (4 different branches) & not even in a single instance they did to my satisfaction. Worst among it is they don't even wash the car the properly - no one really seems to perform an inspection or random checks as well. Having said that, you might face similar experience with other brands too.

If it is petrol, the new City is definitely good option as well - but is definitely less spacious & for comparative models price difference could be 1.5 - 2 L.

If it is diesel, the 1.3L engine is no way under powered as someone suggested. It is our national diesel engine & no way it can taste so much success if its underpowered. The 90BHP tuned engine is really good and very refined as well when compared Honda's diesel plant - which is still untested. If diesel, Ciaz is lot more VFM than City..

[prasanth11]

regarding 1.3 DDiS engine is very good time tested engine,but it does lag unless you push it in lower gears.
Its responsive and fun to drive when pushed to floor in proper rpms.
Driving 1.3DDis in 2 and 3rds gears isnt that enjoying.
I have been driving my Ritz diesel since 2009 and I have clocked 1,78,000 Km so far and City driving is bit pain with this engine.
I have driven almost in all types of roads and I can definitely say How car performs in every type of road.
My car was giving an avg mileage of 18 kmpl. So you can imagine how hard I was pushing it.
Is it underpowered. Yes I can say its underpowered to the price your are paying.(atleast for Ciaz).
For Chauffeur driven scenario, Ciaz is best VFM.
its underpowered as it cant deliver power with press of foot unless its running in range of 2000+ rpm. You have to make it run 2000+ rpm to deliver proper push.

IMO maruti taken customers for granted after intial large booking for Ciaz thinking that whatever they launch it will became hit.
Later after initial heat has been settled,now they are feeling the pinch. They are pushing sales executives hard to improve sales. I actually felt personally the difference.
Way in Nov and December,they never used to care when i visit the showroom,they used to give careless answers( I paid the booking amount on october 1st 2014).,now in March ,they were calling almost every alternate day for booking.
Maruti well trained to lure first time buyers of car. But they cant fool experienced buyers the same way.

[AutoRock]

Good to see lot of debate happening here

I have been driving Fiat 1.3 MJD (in my Ertiga) for 1.5 years, and yes it has serious turbo lag. At times its difficult to drive in bumper to bumper traffic, as one can not just keep the RPM in the turbo range. Somehow I have learned the trick to negate this turbo lag by downshifting and allowing the car in creep mode ,before I hit the acceleration pedal. But yes, this requires practice and there's no fun involved. However beyond 2k RPM, the engine is on the swing and the turbo kick puts smile on the face. Now, if you are ready to tune this engine (boxes/chips/ECU remap), you will get reduced lag (tuning helps to reach 2k RPM faster than normal, thus lag is not felt) and more power.

If you like the stock setting, better choose City iDTEC which is better drivable in bumper to bumper traffic. But, then there's no rush of power unlike TC engines, its linear and enthusiasts may not like it.

My choice for Diesel variant: Ciaz (tuned engine) over City. But if I'm constrained to choose between stock, then City.

For petrol, IVTEC beats the poor 1.4 Ltr Ciaz petrol engine by all means. Ciaz petrol engine can not be compared with mighty IVTEC, long way to go MSIL.

My choice for petrol variant: No guesses, its City!

For other elements, we may have polarized opinions. Some may like sedate styling of Ciaz and some may like Sporty design of City. For features, space & comfort, these two cars beats every other C2 car by huge margin.

I just tried to put the differences between City & Ciaz per my experience, as lot of people are confused between these two cars while selection.

But, if I'm in market to choose the C2 segment car, neither will I choose City nor Ciaz. I will choose Linea T-Jet for petrol variant, and Vento for diesel (manual or DSG TDI) any day, for obvious reasons

[vm2011]

Maruti Suzuki seems serious on the "RS" variant of Ciaz. Now spotted with DRL's.


Maruti Suzuki Ciaz with DRL spied inside factory

[Vignesh_k]

Originally Posted by vm2011

Maruti Suzuki seems serious on the "RS" variant of Ciaz. Now spotted with DRL's.

The Ciaz was better-off without the yucky sticker-job and the after-thought after-market like DRLs. It was a simple elegant looking sedan and doing such mods looks so after-market and actually makes it look cheap IMO.

[vm2011]

Originally Posted by Vignesh_k

The Ciaz was better-off without the yucky sticker-job and the after-thought after-market like DRLs. It was a simple elegant looking sedan and doing such mods looks so after-market and actually makes it look cheap IMO.

This will only be as a special edition. The basic Ciaz will still remain as elegant as it and will better once it is re-powered the 1.5MJD and the 1.6 engines in 2016

[AutoRock]

Originally Posted by Vignesh_k

The Ciaz was better-off without the yucky sticker-job and the after-thought after-market like DRLs. It was a simple elegant looking sedan and doing such mods looks so after-market and actually makes it look cheap IMO.

Couldn't agree more buddy. You are right, those DRL's looks like an aftermarket unit and the front design which otherwise is nice, now looking hideous
The only thing MSIL need to change in Ciaz is engine (bring that 1.6/1.5 Ltr MJD), and they are doing everything except this!

[vm2011]

Originally Posted by AutoRock

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The only thing MSIL need to change in Ciaz is engine (bring that 1.6/1.5 Ltr MJD), and they are doing everything except this!

Maruti is working on the engines that you have referred on all their next new releases for existing products as 'Upgrades' in 2016. You will hear shortly ..