Maruti Suzuki's New Sedan: Ciaz (Codenamed YL1)

vijay_968 · 23rd December 2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Highway Ranger

Smoking with the windows down while driving is very dangerous. The wind may cause some sparks to fly off the cigarette and by reflex, one will take the eyes off the road to check if the sparks has done any damage - resulting in loss of control. Please avoid if possible.

Thanks for your concern. Nowadays, in city limits I drive at low speeds if that damn thingy is lit. If on highways, I mostly stop.

Akash1886 · 23rd December 2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vijay_968

Nowadays, in city limits I drive at low speeds if that damn thingy is lit.

Vijay, I am sure you won't be driving as low as 10-20 km/h in city. The ash from cigarette can still cause damage to trailing 2 wheeler or a by-stander no matter if you drive slow or moderate dear. Take care.

Regards

Akash

vijay_968 · 23rd December 2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Akash1886

Vijay, I am sure you won't be driving as low as 10-20 km/h in city. The ash from cigarette can still cause damage to trailing 2 wheeler or a by-stander no matter if you drive slow or moderate dear. Take care.

Regards

Akash

Oops, I forgot to mention that I've got a make-shift ashtray (tea cup sans handle) hidden in car.

That's really nice of you to have concern for others.

TSIVipul · 23rd December 2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vijay_968

Oops, I forgot to mention that I've got a make-shift ashtray (tea cup sans handle) hidden in car.

That's really nice of you to have concern for others.

I guess you can get a plastic one with a lid for some small amount.

I too had issues with my beer bottles during full night drives, but soon I left drinking beer and the issue was gone. So you can also try this idea, leave smoking once you are fed up with it.

vijay_968 · 23rd December 2014, 10:34 PM

Finally saw a White Ciaz in our North Bengaluru locality today. Mistook it for City when I first saw the tail lights. The grill caught my attention later and let it pass to see it more. Maruti seems to have done a very good paint job. It appeared as if the owner believed he was was driving a two wheeler and trying to figure out how to push Ciaz thro' a 3 ft gap between a parked car and a BMTC Bus. Hilarious to watch. Wish he doesn't need a scratch to remind him that he's driving a car.

@ Moderators
Sorry, we are discussing more on others and less on Ciaz, since post # 542. This is also interesting and please bear with us all.

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Originally Posted by TSIVipul

I guess you can get a plastic one with a lid for some small amount. I too had issues with my beer bottles during full night drives, but soon I left drinking beer and the issue was gone. So you can also try this idea, leave smoking once you are fed up with it.

I'm afraid of such plastic thingys coming near the red hot bud in the car. Wify breaks tea cup handles and I compensate the loss by smuggling them to the car

. I'm smoking in the interest of Tax collection to Govt. There's revenge angle too. The longer I continue my friendship with Fag, the harder its heart will be broken when I quit smoking. Yeah.

PS: Now I understand why UB Group's sales are down.

missionmanali · 29th December 2014, 08:03 PM

anyone who has booked Zdi +? any response or update from MSIL/dealer? we are entering January in couple of days

missionmanali · 3rd January 2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vm2011

Ciaz with 1.6 diesel will be reserved by Maruti for the next upgrade. IMO,it would most likely be in 2016.
It also could be the 1.5 diesel from Fiat that would arrive in India around that time.

Hey @ VM2011...any news on 1.6 or 1.5 MJD ?Going to be may 2015 or much earlier?

vm2011 · 3rd January 2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by missionmanali

Hey @ VM2011...any news on 1.6 or 1.5 MJD ?Going to be may 2015 or much earlier?

This is my speculation. Ciaz will come in the 1.5 MJD variant in 2016. Fiat's R&D has commenced the development of this engine ( derivative of the 1.6) last year.

missionmanali · 3rd January 2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vm2011

This is my speculation. Ciaz will come in the 1.5 MJD variant in 2016. Fiat's R&D has commenced the development of this engine ( derivative of the 1.6) last year.

@Vm2011..thanks.Well boss i recall from one of your earlier post somewhere in TAI that with the impending launch of SX cross with 1.6, we can expect Ciaz with similar motor as early as May 2015. And as i can see that most of your predictions go right.Hence the query.

I have booked Zdi+, whose deliveries were supposed to start from this month on wards. Personally,i have liked the car but was looking forward for more punch in terms of 1.6 & the fact that i can not delay purchase later than Jan this year, i am a bit confused.

vm2011 · 3rd January 2015, 08:39 PM

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@missionmanali;427438 And as i can see that most of your predictions go right.Hence the query.

S Cross will come in both 1.3DDIS and the 1.6 Diesel. Not yet clear if they will use the Fiat or Peugeot diesel here. 1.6 for Ciaz will make it pricier than its nearest competition.

But in India for lower tax bracket ( a repeat of VW strategy) it is speculated that Suzuki will bank on Fiat for the diesel - 1.5MJD.

Isn't it too early for Maruti to give the 1.5 Diesel variant for Ciaz? They will wait for a 'midlife facelift' and that is speculated to be in 2016.

Expect Petrol turbo's from Suzuki too in 2016

missionmanali · 3rd January 2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vm2011

Isn't it too early for Maruti to give the 1.5 Diesel variant for Ciaz? They will wait for a 'midlife facelift' and that is speculated to be in 2016.

Well it was launched in Oct..in lower varinats though.
Zdi+/sport still solves the sole purpose of "facelift".
City has taken over in Nov..it would probably in Dec also(let the figures come).
I have a 1.6 ready for SX cross..had i been in charge, would have given it a shot!!
yes pricing would be a question mark but with 1.6 on ..50K more that City Top, i would take it.

vm2011 · 3rd January 2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by missionmanali

City has taken over in Nov..it would probably in Dec also(let the figures come).

Yes you are right in the December figures. Honda City sells 6000+ and Maruti Ciaz is at 3700+.
Ciaz's monthly figures will stabilize in the range between 3500 - 4500 in months to come.
IMO, 1.6 for Ciaz will have very few takers to justify this variant!

missionmanali · 3rd January 2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vm2011

Yes you are right in the December figures. Honda City sells 6000+ and Maruti Ciaz is at 3700+.
Ciaz's monthly figures will stabilize in the range between 3500 - 4500 in months to come.
IMO, 1.6 for Ciaz will have very few takers to justify this variant!

hmm.just from the salesman perspective inside me

being a market leader.i will vie for every extra market share..specially,when i have solutions in hand.

come on MSIL..give me 1.6/1.5..very soon..

AutoKrish · 3rd January 2015, 10:09 PM

With so much discussion around safety, I would prefer Maruti to focus on getting enough safety equipment, crash testing done and results shared. This is one factor that is preventing me from considering Ciaz vs other vehicles in the segment. Engine options looks fine for normal users like me who is not hard core enthusiast. I have no clue how Ciaz will perform in crash testing compared to City/Vento with 4-star ANCAP crash ratings.

AutoRock · 5th January 2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoKrish

With so much discussion around safety, I would prefer Maruti to focus on getting enough safety equipment, crash testing done and results shared. This is one factor that is preventing me from considering Ciaz vs other vehicles in the segment. Engine options looks fine for normal users like me who is not hard core enthusiast. I have no clue how Ciaz will perform in crash testing compared to City/Vento with 4-star ANCAP crash ratings.

Very true that as a market leader ,MSIL should focus more on safety first approach.
But not all India made C2 segment cars are crash tested in recent past. The City results you are talking about were not carried on Indian version, thus we cannot assume the one here is safe, as we now know how safety is compromised here by manufacturers!
If safety is your main concern, don't look beyond Vento/Rapid or Linea which are structurally well designed and are solidly built inside out.

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Originally Posted by vm2011

S Cross will come in both 1.3DDIS and the 1.6 Diesel. Not yet clear if they will use the Fiat or Peugeot diesel here. 1.6 for Ciaz will make it pricier than its nearest competition.

But in India for lower tax bracket ( a repeat of VW strategy) it is speculated that Suzuki will bank on Fiat for the diesel - 1.5MJD.

As per reports, MSIL is at final stage of developing its own 1.5 Diesel. We can expect this engine in Ertiga & Ciaz facelift in 2015/2016.