Thanks a lot for the wonderful support. Here are my replies. Do feel free to ask more questions
Originally Posted by Jango
Hey nice writeup, the only thing i do not agree is, you have said If there is a dent on the pillars its a accident free car. But if the car gets a hit at its pillars its generally difficult to get the correct shape back.
Please correct me if wrong.
Sir, today almost all authorised bodyshops use certain time saving special tools such as "DENT PULLER". Here is a pic of the machine. It uses electricity to get stuck to the car surface & later a small hammering action pulls the dent out. However for this the paint on the dented surface is fist removed & then once the job is done, they grind the surface then putty then primer & finally paint. In such a case the pillar/running board is not cut/welded, so it still qualifies as an accident car (atleast as per the company terms).
a sample pic from google - dented pillar (yes this will be fixed, painted & sold as accident free)
Originally Posted by rakeshkn
Great thread. As a certified car user I am agreeing all of this things and luckily I am not experienced anything fraud as my brother working with a Maruti ASS
as he replaced and serviced everything as per the manual before I am getting my car.
and what about the odo? the will break and reset?
There are different ways to alter the odometer, here are some of the most common tricks -
1. Disconnecting speedometer cable from gearbox & using car for as long as the owner wants. In this case it is difficult to check/prove the tampering. So you can depend on other sources such as
TYRE MANUFACTURED DATE: printed on every tyre.
If a 2009model swift shows a meter reading of only 15,000kms, you can have a look at all of its tyres & manufactured dates. If it still has the 2009dates on them, chances of tampering are lower, how ever if it shows something like the below pic, you can drill deeper into the car & ask more questions to get a clearer picture.
In the below picture the number punched is "1111"
meaning the tyre was manufacture in the 11th week of the year 2011
2. Tampering the meters using standard drill gun type machine with adapter cable - In such a case, if it is not done properly, 3 out of ten chances are there that the speedometer needle will tend to rattle/shake (as if it is lose) when you accelerate/brake hard. (this is in case of older cars).
In digital odometer cars a different method is used to do the same task (lowering km reading). In this case the tachometer needle will drop unevenly when you take your foot off the throttle pedal.
Lets say I start the car in neutral & raise the rpm to 6000 & all of a sudden I take my foot off the throttle. the needle will gently roll back to 1000 with one or two short pauses. However this method works only 6 out of 10 times. otherwise we have other sources to check for. SHOCKER: 3.NO CERTIFIED CAR INSPECTOR/EVALUATOR is trained or given any tool to check the authenticity of the ODOMETER. If you dont believe me, ask the Sales Person to explain you how they source cars & specifically the ODOMETER verification part. You will be surprised.
Originally Posted by pradeephk
@Autofact, great thread. Thanks for starting it. If you can, please elaborate on the nnn-point checks these guys talk about. How many of these points are actually useful for a buyer of certified cars.
Each brand has its own no:of checkpoints that they look for.
TRUE VALUE has a 120checkpoint inspection/evaluator sheet that they usually adhere to while sorucing cars. The customer (SELLER) is allowed to see the sheet only at the time of inspection & not while negotiating or any other time.
HOWEVER THE SHEET IS NEVER SHOWN TO THE BUYER, AS YOU WOULD GET TO KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT SPENT ON REPAIRS! Thus easy for the customer to judge their margins etc.
The 120checkpoint will cover the vehicle under these parameters
1. Documentation - no:of owners, insurance validity, RC or DRC, LTT paid or not, any loan existing/ closed, NOC from the previous bank/financier etc
2. Body panel damages - includes chassy works/genuity, paint mismatch, repainted surface, replaced doors etc
3. Electrical - working of switches, bulbs, broken/cracked taillights, headlamps, speedo console lights, battery charging etc
4. Suspension - strut leakage, broken lower arms, unusual noise, oil leakage, sagging on one side etc
5. Wheels - Tyre condition, rim condition, wheel cap availability, 5th alloy wheel, stepney status, cracked/aged tyres, thread depth available etc
6. Glass - all glasses for cracks, replaced glasses, windshield scratches, power widnow closing & opening etc
7. Engine & drivetrain systems (Clutch & gearshift) - pressure plate/ clutch plate worn out, engine tappet noise, head gasket oil leak, oil sump damage, clutch release bearing problems, driveshafts etc
8.all rubber gaskets on doors, interior cleanliness, seatcover status, etc & it goes on.
Most of these things are mentioned on the paper, but not really checked. I will post later a simpler clearer way to inspect used cars. DID YOU KNOW:
- For every 100 cars sourced by the professional evaluator atleast 2 will be accident cars
- Most of the local (single showroom) dealers depend on these bigger authorised centers for supply of accident cars
- these accident cars are later sold off to unsuspecting buyers at marginally high prices
- NO TOOL IS USED TO CHECK THE STATUS OF ALTERNATOR CHARGING at the time of inspection
- Engine condition is the last thing to be worried about for a Maruti/Hyundai evaluator
- An item as silly as windshield wiper blade will not be replaced, unless it is asked for
- If the service record shows that the car has been recently serviced for a big bill, then the RF center will not carry out any of those task again, however while delivering the car they will claim to have done all that
- Service hostory is only shown & never printed & given to customer (buyer)
- Inter changing of Music systems, speakers, LED fittings, mud flaps, exhaust mufflers is pretty common
THE FREE SERVICES OFFER:
Maruti offers 3free services + 1yr/15000kms warranty
Hyundai offers 2free service + 1yr/20000kms warranty FREE SERVICE - real meaning
Free inspection service, most of the works will be carried out only if it is required. Oil change cost is passes to you only if the oil is changed which will be done only if you have driven a few 1000kms. Wheel balancing & alignment are again decided by the service advisor solely. Warranty:
warranty usually covers these items
Engine, gearbox, suspension, driveshafts & in some companies even ac compressor. NEVER AGREE FOR VERBAL COMMITMENTS, take it in writing as to what is covered under warranty & what not. What's not covered under warranty: All glass, plastic, electrical, rubber items.
Clutch plate, pressure plate, release bearing, clutch cable, pedal
throttle cable, handbrake cable, all fluids, all filters, all brake pads, bulbs
doors, bodyline, hinges, handles, locks, keys, accesories
battery, ignition coil, spark plugs, HT chords, wiring harnesses
rusting, life of welds & many more.
the next post will reveal about loans & the chemistry between banks & the dealerships. till then - a million thanks