Originally Posted by allhyundaicars
i bought my car for 4,20,000 OTR in delhi in mid 2009. i think the value is alright for my car. many parts need to be repainted. anyways i think the liva too has less resale. only the fortuner and the corrola has good resale.
Sirji believe me, every single Toyota enjoys a respectable resale value. Check out in used car markets and you will find out what a reputation Toyota has got and they have a good number of buyers too.
Even for me also this came like a shocker, my favorite hatchback took such a beating!
What actually shocked me was the way the chassis of the Grand crumpled under the forces. I literally never thought that the floor pan will also get crumpled and that also this way. If the car is having such a flimsy skeleton then even airbags also won't prove of much help. Why So? Because what can airbags do if the bodyshell itself will be collapsing to kill the driver. Here are some pics which say it all and some excerpts from the crash test reports along with the reports too:
REPORTS: Hyundai_Grand_i10-NO_Airbags_en.pdf toyota-etios-2-airbags-en.pdf euroncap_hyundai_i10_2014_4stars.pdf
Hyundai Grand i10:
The red markings show the areas which got crumpled. Compare them to the pics of Liva and some remarkable differences do appear.
Even at 64 km/hr the bodyshell lost it's stability! What if the collision speed is higher? REPORT: Hyundai_Grand_i10-NO_Airbags_en.pdf
The collision energy is well absorbed in the bonnet area itself and the cabin is intact.
The bodyshell is found stable and can take more energy. REPORT: toyota-etios-2-airbags-en.pdf
Still we can't say that Toyota Liva Petrol is a safer car just going by the results. Toyota Liva weighs around 920 kilos with complete safety hardware which include ABS
and airbags while the Grand i10 1.2 Petrol weighs around 935 kilos when fully loaded.
Here the Grand i10 is the one without Airbags and maybe without ABS
too and hence assuming that the car has no ABS
and airbags, so we can assume that around 15-17 kilos have been lost in the weight considering the weight of mountings, sensors and their respective circuitry.
Weight of crasjed vehicles: Toyota Liva:
1162 kilos (Including dummies etc) Hyundai Grand i10:
1160 kilos (Including dummies etc)
Now if we reduce 17 kilos weight of safety hardware from Grand i10 then Liva weighs 2 kilos more that the Grand i10. Since dummies and other all hardware like sensors, cameras etc weigh similar; so this 2 kilo difference can come into picture only if the Liva is 2 kilos heavier than the Grand i10
Weight of dummies and other hardware:
65 kg adult each + 15 kg child + 5 kg for equipment max (assumption based on some data which and whose source I can't share). So that makes a total weight of 150 kilos. 920 + 150 = 1070 kilos
i guess the tested vehicles are the diesel versions of both the cars. Why So? Because Liva diesel weighs around 1010 kilos for fully loaded version and Grand i10 weighs around 1025 kilos.
In that case: 1010 + 150 = 1160 kilos
seems to be more realistic.
These both are the kerb weighs of made in India models which run in Indian market. Going by them, we can assume
even the Liva tested was also the Indian version. Conclusions:
- Going by this, we may reach the conclusion that Indian version of Liva is still safer than the Grand i10. Adding to this, the Liva chassis and internal components are known to be rugged which last really long but the body of the car is found flimsy. Still what saves in case of a crash is a strong skeleton with slight help from a strong sheet metal.
- Stronger skeleton is still a must as compared to a stronger sheet metal. If there is no true strength underneath then sheet metal can do negligible help but if the structure underneath is strong enough then even weaker sheet metal can also do well.
This is the crash test report of euro spec Grand i10, amazingly the 1,000 cc i10 there weighs 935 kilos. That's hardly any much difference (engine eight increased by 15-20 kilos max) going by the list of safety features available there. Maybe Hyundai is using the high tensile and more expensive material to build the cars for Europe.
Now I am interested in Elite i20 crash tests though Respect has now increased for Ford