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Dr MUDHAN 15th January 2014 08:21 PM

Guide: How To Make Your Car Battery Go On & On!
 
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Dear All

WELCOME TO MY ONE MORE NEW THREAD [:D]

Originally I wanted to write this in my primary thread - New Honda City in White – Meet My Albus!

But I felt that this is a common issue applicable to every car owner and that brought me here to meet you all.

Please do make a visit to my following threads and I am sure, you will find many interesting information which would be useful & applicable to your interest.

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/fo...ite-albus.html

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/fo...ng-basics.html

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/fo...rmalities.html

Of course, don’t miss to offer your comments that would be an inspiration to me.

*****


On that day, my colleague’s ANHC 2011 model parked always next to my ALBUS, refused to start.

One word about that car, it is deprived of owner’s attention, runs hardly 15 to 25 kms per month and most of the days not even cranked.

He called me and said, “Doctor what’s the problem with my car, please help me”

I have a handy tool- the Electronic Battery Volt Monitor which I purchased online and I could spare sometime in the evening to help him.

I put the battery monitor into the 12V socket (cigar light) and switch on the ignition, it was showing 5 volt. Yes, the battery got drained totally.

We were discussing whether to jump start the car or removing the battery to send for external re- charging.

I understood that whatever effort is taken, it is not going to serve him as he would again start and use the car only after 10 days or later. The battery is already very week and the OE warranty of one year was over and it is almost 22 months by now.

I told him to go for a better battery and advised him a short run periodically to maintain it.

He agreed and requested me to suggest a good battery

and my research began:

In the past, all those OE battery which came with the car used to last minimum 3 to 4 years and for Diesel cars it might be one year less.. But we had no different versions like what we have today. Reputed battery brands of today have from cheap to expensive varieties.

God only knows what would be the choice of today’s car manufactures!

Check up your battery specification.

The stock battery capacity fitted in Honda city is rated at 27AH (5 Hrs) / 30 AH (20 Hrs) /12V.

Even among Honda city cars, there are variation in the battery which comes with the car. See the photos below which would give the correct picture.



THE FOLLOWING PICTURES ARE SELF-EXPLANATORY




The Type of Original Battery That Came With My Colleague's ANHC 2011 Car
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One Of The Best Battery ( AMARON Pro ) In The Market Now Fitted With My Colleague’s ANHC 2011 Car



My another friend’s ANHC 2012 (April) having regular OE- AMARON battery (Note the Battery Status Indicator)

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My car ANHC 2012 (December) having regular OE- AMARON battery (Note Battery Status Indicator is missing – could be a cost cutting measure!)
Attachment 121800

DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF BATTERY IN MARKET FOR THE SAME CAR


Just wait, I will share with you not only more tips about batteries to make it on & on, and also about some useful gadgets.

Regards,
Dr. MUDHAN

Dr MUDHAN 15th January 2014 09:01 PM

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ABOUT CAR BATTERIES HAVING A BUILT-IN HYDROMETER - COLOR INDICATOR

Some car battery also has a color indicator which displays battery status & it still requires distilled water to be added as the battery is not fully of zero maintenance.

These sealed-top batteries have a built-in hydrometer to indicate charge. The charge indicator only reads one cell, but usually shows the average charge for all battery cells. A green dot means the battery is 75% or more charged and is okay for use or further testing. No dot (a dark indicator) means the battery is low and should be recharged before it is returned to service or tested further. A clear or yellow indicator means the level of electrolyte inside has dropped too low, and the battery should be replaced.

Actually, Battery state of charge is often indicated by a float device built into the battery. It contains a small green or other color ball that floats when the electrolyte specific gravity is within a certain range. Below this range, the ball sinks. When the ball is floating, it shows as a bright green dot indicating the battery is 80 percent charged. When the ball sinks, the unit shows up dark, indicating the battery is discharged. If a light yellow color is visible, it indicates the electrolyte level is too low. The indicators fairly give us an idea what to with the battery.


If your battery is low, it needs to be recharged, not only to restore full power, but also to prevent possible damage to the battery. Ordinary automotive lead-acid storage batteries must be kept at or near full charge to keep the cell plates from becoming "sulfated" (a condition that occurs if the battery is run down and left in a discharged condition for more than a few days).

As sulfate builds up, it reduces the battery's ability to hold a charge and supply voltage. Eventually the battery becomes useless and must be replaced.

Dr MUDHAN 15th January 2014 09:54 PM

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FOR A CAR BATTERY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BUILT-IN HYDROMETER

On sealed-top batteries that do not have a built-in charge indicator, the state of charge can be determined by checking the battery's base or open circuit voltage with a digital voltmeter or multi meter. This is done by touching the meter leads to the positive and negative battery terminals while the ignition key is off.

A reading of 12.66 volts indicates a fully charged battery; 12.45 volts is 75% charged, 12.24 volts is 50% charged, and 12.06 volts is 25% charged.

The other easiest way to have with you an electronic battery volt meter which works on car cigar socket & it is really cheap and helps us to check up the status daily or periodically.

Some are exclusive battery volt meter & some are multi-functional devices wherein clock/ car cabin temperature and battery Volta meter are in built and the readings are displayed in cycle.

12V Car Auto Digital LED Multi-functional Clock time Thermometer Voltmeter Tester – can be permanently used, even while the engine is running / driving.

Price 9 to 10 dollars – available in Aliexpress & ebay.

12V-24V LED Display Cigarette Lighter Electric Voltage Meter tester For Auto Car Battery – advised to use when engine running & not at driving. But I used, no issues as the gadget can hold maximum 24 V.

Price 4 dollars - available in Aliexpress & ebay.

I have both and give you here the pictures and the active gif images for you to note the reading and display.








Simple car electronic volt meter shows the battery volt before & after starting the engine.




MTF gadget reading before cranking the engine – shows battery volt 12U and the time 12.30.

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MTF gadget reading after cranking the engine while running – shows the time 12.30 / cabin temperature 30c / battery volt 14.6 U... 14.7 U. in a cyclic display.
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I hope, you like my efforts and, see you next with some tips for our battery.

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Dr MUDHAN 16th January 2014 09:19 AM

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ALL THIS JARGON – WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?



Each car battery tends to have a different specification and it is important to know what each of the terms mean and how they can be applied to our needs:

Ampere Hours / Ah Rating
Ampere-Hour Capacity at 20 Hour Rate (AH) – This tells you the amount of electricity that a battery will deliver during 20 hours before the voltage falls to 10.50V. Modern cars often have a lot of gadgets and electronics which use a lot of electricity, so you need to make sure that the AH is high enough to accommodate the needs of your car.
Ampere Hours (Ah) relate to the sustained electrical power of the battery or loosely speaking how much power it can supply on a constant basis.
For example - a 1.4 engine Fiesta with standard everyday equipment such as a radio, sat-nav, wipers, central locking, driving lights etc. may need only 40 - 45 Ampere Hours. A battery with 43, 44 or 45 Ah would be the right choice.
By contrast a 1.4 engine Fiesta with more electrical equipment such as a media center, extra powerful speakers, car spotlights, powered windows, electric sunroof, cd changer, heated seats etc. would need a slightly more robust / powerful battery to handle the extra load in the longer term.
Most vehicles can only take a certain size of battery. If you go for the battery option with a bit more Ah, check whether your alternator can charge it.

CCA
Cold Cranking Performance in Amps (CCA) – The higher the CCA the easier it is to start the vehicle. If you have a diesel car, or live in a particularly cold area, it is a good idea to make sure that this has a high value.
The 'cold' refers to when the engine is started from cold - e.g. the engine has cooled to below a few degrees celsius whilst the vehicle has been parked up.
Remember an older diesal car that struggles to start because the engine isn't as free turning as a newer version simply needs a battery with 5-10% more CCA than the previous battery!
Your car can take a new battery with the same or more CCA but NOT less!

Charge
The charge that a battery holds can be likened to the usable amount of potential energy it has.
Ordinary Lead Acid batteries such as car batteries need to be regularly charged and kept topped up by the vehicle alternator to keep them working properly. If, for any reason the battery's energy levels fall below a certain amount and stay there for prolonged periods of time - it will become unreliable. By contrast a mismatching alternator fitted by a bad mechanic will slowly ruin the battery by overcharging it.

Current
The current that a battery can supply (in Ampere Hours - see above) is relative to the original design of your vehicle and the amount of current it typically needs.
If you need more current or more Ampere Hours for additional electrical equipment then a sturdier battery compatible with the alternator would be more practical .

Cycle
When the battery is discharged or drained and then recharged it has gone through 1 complete cycle.
An ordinary lead-acid car battery is kept topped-up all the time by the car alternator and never runs flat. If it does - its life will be foreshortened significantly as it cannot survive being below 90% charge for very long.

Electrolyte
The battery contains a mixture of water and sulphuric acid. This allows the storage of electrical power. An electrolyte is a substance that contains ions which are electrically charged particles.

Element / Plate / Grid
The elements inside a car battery are rows of positive and negative plates. These are assembled with separators.

Envelope / Separation
Each battery element / plate / grid is separated from the next using envelope separators. The envelope separators are micro-porous and control the efficiency of energy conversion. Batteries with envelope separation usually have improved performance and a longer service life.


Lead Acid Battery
A Lead Acid Battery is a plastic box full of water, acid and lead plates. These are the most common design, are cheap to make, and for most applications they suit their purpose.
Ordinary 'Wet' Lead Acid Batteries have small 'breather' holes on the top to allow expanding gases to escape safely.
This happens when the battery is being worked hard for example your Stereo, Amplifier, Lights, Wipers, SAT-NAV, Spotlights, Heated Seats and so on are switched on all at the same time while you drive down the motorway. Whilst on one hand the power is being drained - on the other the car continues to recharge its battery.


Silver Calcium
All of our car batteries are based on Silver Calcium technology. Silver Calcium Batteries work by using internal components that have been coated with calcium silver alloy.
The benefits or silver calcium batteries are improved CCA performance (better starting power), greater resistance to degeneration via corrosion, reduced electrolyte loss (another form of degeneration) with longer product lifespan as a result.

Sulphation
Suplhation is one of the most common causes of battery failure. Suplhation happens when a battery is left to stand for a period of time in a partially charged state. Common symptoms are an egg- like sulphur smell whilst charging and cloudy electrolyte.

Terminals
The stumpy metal pegs / lugs pointing out of the top of the battery. European Standard (19.5mm positive terminal diameter) & Japanese International Standard (14.7mm positive terminal)
The majority of consumer batteries have only 2 terminals - Positive and Negative. Exceptions being Dual Terminal Batteries where the 'spare' pair of terminals can be connected to for example a winch or spotlights and so on.

Voltage
Voltage is essentially what pushes the current around.
The batteries for Indian cars (other than our industrial batteries) are usually 12 Volts (around 99%) the exception being 24 Volt units.

Length & Width
Length, where vehicle batteries are concerned, relates to across the front main sticker side of the Battery and unless stated does not include the ridge around the top. Width - From the front sticker side of the battery to the back


(Information refined by me to suit our need from this source. Lead Acid Battery Jargon Buster for Car, Leisure Batteries etc)

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Dr MUDHAN 16th January 2014 09:36 AM

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TIPS TO MAKE YOUR BATTERY LONG LASTING:




1. Refer your car manual to know the type of battery placed in your car. ANHC comes (came with! as I don’t know about ANHC 2014 model) with a battery about which the manual doesn't mention maintenance-free anywhere. It requires regular check-ups and distilled water top-ups. The A.S.S. guys do the battery test during every service & charge little amount for that. At least we should ensure that it is happening.

2. If early morning cranking is sluggish, or after driving for a 100 KM or more round trip, add distilled water to car's battery if water level is low.

3. Check the voltage when the ignition is ON and then check the voltage when you crank the engine. When the ignition is ON the voltage will be around 11.9-12.1 V and when you crank it drops down to 8-9V & picks up there after to 14V +. ( Very good, inexpensive gadgets are available today to check so)

4. If the drop is to 5 or 6V then the battery is on its end. Check the cells as whether they are able to hold the charge. If the battery is fine but the charge is not happening then the alternator could need attention.

5. There is one precaution - keep power hungry additional electrical gadgets (including a/c) on only when engine is running that means they should be turned on only after cranking the engine and turned off before turning off the engine.

6. Check your car dash display, whether 'engine cold' warning indicators are there. For ANHC wait to make the blue cold icon on the dash to disappear before moving out and then switch on the AC.

7. Keep clean the battery terminal as corroded connectors are a waste of energy & ensure always the wiring is intact ; clean by WD 40 & Coat the terminals with Vaseline if need be.

8. Before leaving the car, just have a watch whether any bulb is powered up intentionally or accidently as your fingers would have touched the switches. Many time this occurs with aftermarket fitment of fog lamps, sometimes due to switched on parking lights. Especially you have to watch the gadgets those you have taken direct connection from the battery.

9. Whenever you leave the car for service or accidental repair @ garage don’t forget to put your roof / dome lights in switch -off mode.

10. Open the bonnet once in a while, inspect the interior for over dust, loose & rusting connections, rat menace and take proactive precaution.

TAKE CARE

Regards,
Dr MUDHAN
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Dr MUDHAN 16th January 2014 02:16 PM

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THE ELECTRONIC BATTERY VOLT METER DISPLAY:


Our forum web site, it seems undergoes some transformation and indicated as ‘Engine Overhaul. We'll be back!’
Actually I wanted you all to look at the working of Electronic Battery Volt Meter in real time.
Due to technical issue most of the animated ‘GIF’ pictures are inactive as on now, including mine posted in this thread.
Therefore, without disappointing you all, I made a snap shot of the display:


Simple car electronic volt meter shows the battery volt before & after starting the engine.



Multi-function gadget readings: Before ignition on – from no display to start display 000 / Clock/ Cabin Temperature/ Pre Crank Battery Volt (Pictures 1to5) and the lost one (Picture 6) Battery Volt while the engine is running … in a cyclic display.

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Hope,you like it.
Regards
Dr.MUDHAN

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350Z 16th January 2014 02:38 PM

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Note: Thread now live. Excellent article. Thanks!

Drive Safe,
350Z

jayesh 16th January 2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr MUDHAN (Post 359606)
Dear All

WELCOME TO MY ONE MORE NEW THREAD [:D]

Originally I wanted to write this in my primary thread - New Honda City in White – Meet My Albus!

But I felt that this is a common issue applicable to every car owner and that brought me here to meet you all.

Please do make a visit to my following threads and I am sure, you will find many interesting information which would be useful & applicable to your interest.

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/fo...ite-albus.html

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/fo...ng-basics.html

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/fo...rmalities.html

Of course, don’t miss to offer your comments that would be an inspiration to me.

*****



Just wait, I will share with you not only more tips about batteries to make it on & on, and also about some useful gadgets.

Regards,
Dr. MUDHAN

Again a very informative and wonderful thread by you sir.[clap]

Thank you for sharing such important information with us.

My rides three years old now, I will be more careful with the way I maintain the cars battery.

patkar_a 16th January 2014 07:23 PM

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Excellent article Sir,was really really informative,this time i would be more careful with my battery.
Thank you for sharing this article.
1 Thing i am adding to it,sorry if you have mentioned and i have missed it .

1)Check battery water and alternator charging Every 3/4 months and before every Long Drive.

doc1988 16th January 2014 10:18 PM

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very detailed article sir, enlightened with many new aspects thank you.

Mathew 16th January 2014 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr MUDHAN (Post 359687)
2. If early morning cranking is sluggish, or after driving for a 100 KM or more round trip, add distilled water to car's battery if water level is low.

Thanks Dr. Mudhan for the informative article. Your articles are complete with detailed information. I have used normal water instead of distilled water, any problem in future? What about Mineral water?

I have noticed some taxi drivers are hitting hard on the accelerator prior to ignition off, keeping more current to battery. Any impact on battery charging.

A 12V battery showing reading above 14V. Is it logical?

Dr MUDHAN 17th January 2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 350Z (Post 359771)
Note: Thread now live. Excellent article. Thanks!
Drive Safe, 350Z

Thanks, 350Z for your support & encouragement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayesh (Post 359794)
Again a very informative and wonderful thread by you sir.[clap]
Thank you for sharing such important information with us. My rides three years old now, I will be more careful with the way I maintain the cars battery.

Thanks, jayesh for your appreciation.

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Originally Posted by patkar_a (Post 359848)
Excellent article Sir,was really really informative,this time i would be more careful with my battery. Thank you for sharing this article.
1 Thing i am adding to it,sorry if you have mentioned and i have missed it .
1)Check battery water and alternator charging Every 3/4 months and before every Long Drive.

Thanks, patkar for your complements. You are welcome to suggest and any good information would strengthen this thread.

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Originally Posted by doc1988 (Post 359875)
very detailed article sir, enlightened with many new aspects thank you.

Thanks, doc1988 I am happy that you find it interesting & useful.

Dr MUDHAN 17th January 2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 359886)
Thanks Dr. Mudhan for the informative article. Your articles are complete with detailed information. I have used normal water instead of distilled water, any problem in future? What about Mineral water?
I have noticed some taxi drivers are hitting hard on the accelerator prior to ignition off, keeping more current to battery. Any impact on battery charging.
A 12V battery showing reading above 14V. Is it logical?

Thanks, Mathew.

Yes, as far as possible I would prefer to give complete but relevant information to fellow forum members who visit my thread, with a quest for knowledge.

I make it by integrating information = my experience & observations gathered all these 50+ years , plus information from my other professional colleagues like automobile/electrical engineers against my clarifications and from the wealth of information available in the internet, which one I feel authenticated and convincing me. I am particular in my approach that I should never mislead anybody.

It is good that you have triggered my mind over Distilled Water & 12 volt vs 14 volt issues.

Just wait to see here the complete answers as I don't want to give here one line answers.

Honestly, I don’t know the ‘taxi drivers hitting hard on the accelerator’ issue and I feel no logic in it. It would only damage the internal electrical components like brush bushes, shorten the life of alternators.

Regards
Dr MUDHAN

patkar_a 17th January 2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr MUDHAN (Post 359926)
Thanks, Mathew.



Honestly, I don’t know the ‘taxi drivers hitting hard on the accelerator’ issue and I feel no logic in it. It would only damage the internal electrical components like brush bushes, shorten the life of alternators.

Regards
Dr MUDHAN

[:)]Absolutely right sir,i too feel the same,hitting Accelerator hard before shut down will definitely have negative impacts on Engine.Especially engines with Turbochargers.

generalmax 17th January 2014 11:02 AM

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Once again [clap] for your informative writeup.
It is science simplified .

HaruH 17th January 2014 11:15 AM

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As always very useful and informative thread Dr MUDHAN. Surely it'll gone help many of us. Keep it up and thanks a lot for your efforts. [clap]

Dr MUDHAN 17th January 2014 08:02 PM

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WHY DISTILLED WATER & WHY NOT A MINERAL WATER?


Is it important that our battery should be topped up with only distilled water?

Yes. Because distilled water has no contaminates, minerals etc. that could deteriorate the lead cells / accumulate on the battery plates which will reduce their effectiveness.

Minerals like calcium can coat the cells in the battery and after some time reduce the flow of electric current.

Mineral water has minerals which have ions that could cause reactions with the H2SO4 hydrogen sulfate in the battery acid or upset the pH balance.

Regular tap water too has minerals & chlorine that will affect the battery chemistry & overall life.

In other words, the conductivity of water is more important. The conductivity / Electrical conductance is nothing else but the reciprocal of the resistance.

It depends on the dissolved solids especially on minerals. Distilled water is almost pure and has a very low conductance. The purer the water, the lower the conductance or higher the resistance.

Distilling means boiling water and condensing the steam. The result is free of dissolved solids. In practice the Distilled water conductance is less than 10 µS/cm.

The following table shows the different waters and their conductance. The distilled water has the lowest conductance and the highest by the salty sea water.

Water Conductance [µS]

Distilled water 7 - 20
Rain water 5 - 50
Drinking water 300 - 750
Ground water 30 - 2,000
River water 1,000 - 5,000
Sea water 45,000 - 56,000


The life expectancy of acid batteries will drop significantly and the batteries will be destroyed earlier by other than distilled water. So go for only Distilled Water!

Source: Hospital Management Guide (Frank's Training Course)

Dr MUDHAN 17th January 2014 09:06 PM

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12 VOLTS vs 14 VOLTS

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You would be surprised to note that the current reading of 12 volts car battery is 14+ volts while running the Engine / Alternator!

Why it is so, whether it is correct … some queries would have flown in your thoughts!!

Yes, it’s normal for the alternator to put out 14.5 volts while running & it is necessary.

Because we are so used to hearing about 12V automotive electrical systems, we tend to ignore the exact battery voltage.

Take for example a battery that reads 12.35V. At first it seems to be in perfect condition but in reality a 12.35V battery is only 50% charged, 12.0V is 25% and 11.80V is completely drained.
Whenever the battery reads 11.99V or lower it is basically a "dead" battery that has lost almost all of its charge.

To charge the battery, the alternator voltage output has to exceed a minimum charging voltage that is 13.8 volts.

A single lead-acid cell starts to charge at anything over 2.25 volts. Since a 12 volts battery has six cells, any 12 volts lead-acid battery needs at least 13.8 volts to start to charge.

This voltage will be enough to fully charge or maintain the battery, but the charging time will be very long at 13.8 volts.

Therefore to charge the battery fully in reasonable times, alternator output must be 14.2 V to 14.5 V as measured right across the battery posts.

Charging voltages over 14.8 volts can prematurely dry the battery by boiling out electrolyte.

Less than 14.3 would be a "weak" alternator or regulator.

Much less than 14.2 at a fast idle is bad wiring, bad alternator or regulator, or a bad connection.

What about car gadgets & electrical parts?

Since the system must operate at about 14volts, electrical parts are designed for best performance and longest life when operating at about 14 volts. The parts can generally withstand 15 volts.

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alfa alfa 17th January 2014 09:40 PM

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Thanks doc, lots of take away info from your thread. Nicely written informative thread.

Mathew 18th January 2014 11:58 PM

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Is it important that our battery should be topped up with only distilled water?

Yes. Because distilled water has no contaminates, minerals etc. that could deteriorate the lead cells / accumulate on the battery plates which will reduce their effectiveness.

Thanks for the detailed information. Yes. There are technical reasons, and advised to use distilled water.

What is the impact of pH value of water? Any impact on pH value of distilled water? Ionized alkaline water is better for drinking. Some filters change the pH values to more alkaline.

The distilled water will be added to the existing acid in the battery container. The acid will get more diluted, and water looses its properties. Any insight?

Dr MUDHAN 19th January 2014 01:50 PM

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Mathew, are you talking about human body system or battery system?
[lol], No problem. I will explain.

I. DRINKING WATER OF HUMAN BEINGS

Our body pH should be approximately 7.4
The more acidic we are, meaning a 6.6 pH or lower, the greater opportunity we have provided disease to flourish in us.
Alkaline water is full of Hydroxyl ions - No health benefits to drinking “alkaline water” only.
Acidic water is full of Hydrogen ions – good for outside of our body & great for plant growth.
Only Alkaline Ionized Water has the health benefits. 1. It is a powerful antioxidant 2. Ionized Water Balances body pH because it is very alkaline as our diet is often extremely acidic; remember the amount of soft drinks, fast foods we consume. 3. It has a different molecular cluster size, which gives a very good detoxifying effect.

Sometimes, when you were dehydrated and drunk some reputed mineral water brand in 500ml/1 lit bottle, you would have felt that the same is tasting as a mild tender coconut water. They are Alkaline Ionized Water.


I stop here as this thread is not for these issues.



I will address your next clarification:

II. WHY DISTILLED WATER & WHY NOT BATTERY ACID?


100% charged battery will have a specific gravity of 1.265 and this is maintained by battery electrolytes produced by the battery acid.
H2SO4 is a molecular formula for Sulfuric acid, it is a strong mineral acid and it is soluble in water at all concentrations, electrolytes are produced against lead plates.

Once a Lead acid battery had been activated by adding the electrolyte to the dry cells; and ONLY distilled water should be added.
Battery electrolyte levels should be just below the bottom of the vent well, about ½ - ¾ inch above the tops of the separators. Constant charging / discharging, heat produced internally and evaporation due to environment … all these process will make the electrolyte level to drop.

We should never let the activated electrolyte level to drop below the top of the plates and that’s why distilled water is necessary to maintain the required concentration. In between adding of battery acid will not do anything better. And may dilute the already activated electrolytes.

Ok?

Dr MUDHAN


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Kichu 19th January 2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 359886)

I have noticed some taxi drivers are hitting hard on the accelerator prior to ignition off, keeping more current to battery. Any impact on battery charging.

Cars can either have a dynamo or an alternator.
Newer cars comes with alternator which helps in providing a constant output even in lower rpm. In the case of olden cars it came with dynamo, in which its output varies with rpm and it works best with higher rpm.
This is the reason why drivers hitting the accelerator prior to ignition off.
Still there are people who follow same procedure unknowingly with the alternators.

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 359886)
A 12V battery showing reading above 14V. Is it logical?

A 12volt battery is made up of 6 cells with approximately 2.15volt per cell.
So in total it gives about 12.9V approx(fully charged battery).
The alternator need to give higher voltage to provide enough juice for the battery and for other electrical appliances.

Generally charging voltage of a battery use to be around 10-20% extra volt.
So the battery terminals showing 14v when the engine is ON is not at all a problem. It can even show 15V or higher when the situation calls for it.

Attaching the link of my car's battery voltage test..
A-star stock Amaron battery. - YouTube
Its a 2009 March mfg Maruti Suzuki A-star vxi car.

Mathew 19th January 2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr MUDHAN (Post 360271)
.. battery electrolytes produced by the battery acid.
H2SO4 is a molecular formula for Sulfuric acid, it is a strong mineral acid and it is soluble in water at all concentrations, electrolytes are produced against lead plates.

Once a Lead acid battery had been activated by adding the electrolyte to the dry cells; and ONLY distilled water should be added.
Battery electrolyte levels should be just below the bottom of the vent well, about ½ - ¾ inch above the tops of the separators. Constant charging / discharging, heat produced internally and evaporation due to environment … all these process will make the electrolyte level to drop.

Agreed.

In this region, we are having Ionized Alkaline water through special filters. The pH value of these ionized water varies, and available around 8 (Depends). We have RO filter, with less TDS and other contaminants. The RO filter have pH value depends on the inlet water. The bottled water is having pH slightly above 7. It was a hot discussion in this place before. [read here] The distilled water available from these water (ionized water or bottled mineral water) will have the same pH value. Distilled waters are available in this region manufactured by a local small scale unit. They are using these water to prepare distilled water. Hence, my question pH have any effect on the system?

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Originally Posted by Dr MUDHAN (Post 360271)
WHY DISTILLED WATER & WHY NOT BATTERY ACID?

We use battery acid (sulphuric acid). Battery acid will be consumed in the functioning of the battery. We will be maintaining the level by adding Distilled water, not battery acid. Your detailed reply clarify this.

Your Information useful to many.

Mathew 26th January 2014 10:52 AM

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As a general practice, we replace batteries to correct specifications. The battery in your vehicle is of type 38B19L-MF. The Amaron battery in the previous post is having battery models, 50B20L, 42B20L, BL400LMF etc. The indications of these letters such as L, MF, B, BL, R and etc may give more insights to different batteries. Capacity of 38B19L-MF, is 38AH or different? There are batteries with R option?

Any information to these letters and numbers?

Iron Rock 27th January 2014 04:19 PM

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Fantastic writeup Dr. Mudhan, I am a fan and i know how much efforts go behind writing such articles - Kudos to you!

Dr MUDHAN 4th February 2014 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 361730)
As a general practice, we replace batteries to correct specifications. The battery in your vehicle is of type 38B19L-MF. The Amaron battery in the previous post is having battery models, 50B20L, 42B20L, BL400LMF etc. The indications of these letters such as L, MF, B, BL, R and etc may give more insights to different batteries. Capacity of 38B19L-MF, is 38AH or different? There are batteries with R option?

Any information to these letters and numbers?

Dear Mathew,

‘38B19L-MF’ is Honda’s specific OE Battery part number for that model / version of their car. May be based on the electrical systems designed for that version. Say whether it has electrical foldable mirror/ electrically controlled sun roof etc., depends upon the amperes needed.

The almost equivalent aftermarket battery for standard ANHC (3rd GEN) cars from Amron is ‘38B20L’

The battery in my vehicle is ‘34B19L-MF’ and not ‘38B19L-MF’ as indicated by you. May be less ampere, cost effective.

It is nice you have observed.

I found more interesting information about batteries from this pdf file.

Please also go through.

Regards,
Dr MUDHAN

Dr MUDHAN 4th February 2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Rock (Post 361997)
Fantastic writeup Dr. Mudhan, I am a fan and i know how much efforts go behind writing such articles - Kudos to you!

Dear Iron Rock
Getting appreciation from Marshal is really a great thing.
I am really overwhelmed by your endearing words.
Thank you very much.

Mathew 4th February 2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr MUDHAN (Post 364102)
The almost equivalent aftermarket battery for standard ANHC (3rd GEN) cars from Amron is ‘38B20L’

The battery in my vehicle is ‘34B19L-MF’ and not ‘38B19L-MF’ as indicated by you. May be less ampere, cost effective.
Dr MUDHAN

The pdf document is informative. Thanks for your effort.

MF-Stands for Maintenance Free type battery.
L -Left
R -Right
L and R are Positive Terminal positions subject to a person facing to the vehicle.

B, BL -- No Idea? May be capacity. Back to the model "38B19L-MF", It will be a maintenance free battery. 38 Ampere current. Positive Terminal on Left Side. The number 19 indicates what?

Dr MUDHAN 5th February 2014 10:43 PM

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WHAT ALL OF THE SPECS ON BATTERY MEAN AND HOW TO KNOW WHEN IT MATTERS!

The battery specification is based on certain international accepted standards - Battery Council International / Japanese Industrial Standard.

Honda quotes part no. 38B19L-MF. ( Other examples:34B19L / 40B19L / 42B19L / 44B19L / 60B19L)

Example for ANHC

34B19L - MF
Voltage:12 Volts / Capacity:36 Ah / CCA:280 A / Length:196 mm

38B19L – MF / 38B20L - MF
Voltage:12 Volts / Capacity:36 Ah / CCA: 280 A / Length: 198 mm

34 B or 38 B - refers to the class, physical size, average Amperes & CCA (higher AMPS & CCA will be ‘D’ class)
19 or 20 - Refers to overall length in mm 196 to 200 mm
L - Refers to left side negative terminal on the battery.

MF - Refers maintenance free. Modern 'maintenance free' lead acid car batteries all contain calcium. Calcium is used to 'reduce' water loss. They require a higher charging voltage of 14.4 volts compared to the 13.6 volts required by older lead acid batteries.



SOME MORE USEFUL INFORMATION WHILE BUYING A BATTERY:


Make sure the battery you are ordering is the right one for your car!

Replacement car batteries should be chosen by the battery's physical size. Understand the measurements of the length, width and height of the battery you are replacing and use those physical dimensions to determine which replacement battery to order. It is not necessary for the replacement battery to match the dimensions of your current battery exactly but they should be close in physical size.

Take note of the terminal diameter, it should be either 10mm or 20mm, and whether the negative terminal is located on the right or left side.

Locate the replacement car battery by the part number. Typically, part numbers are typed on the top label of the battery. They consist of either numbers and letters or numbers only.

For the best possible results and longest service life, install a car battery with the CCA and RC ratings recommended by the car's manufacturer.

Using a car battery with lower capacity could shorten battery life and can occasionally cause electronic malfunction. A battery with higher capacity will not do any damage to the starter or electronics, but it will extend the battery discharge time and ultimate service life.

CRACING 27th February 2014 12:49 PM

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@Dr MUDHAN

Being a ANHC owner, I find very useful data here. Thanks for taking your time to guide us all.

I have ANHC VMT 2009 which came with Amaron OE battery with Status Indicator (3rd Picture) and have not replaced yet nor it gave any problems till date.

I would like to check the water level and add distilled water if necessary, however these Amaron batteries look different then standard, semi tubular or tubular batteries. I mean the 2v x 6 distilled water cells. I guess they are inside two square caps left and right (DANGER/CAUTION, RECYCLE & etc warnings written above) but don't wanna take risk opening them.

It would be good if you provide detailed info on how to check the water level and add distilled water.

Also let me know, whether do we need to unplug battery terminals before checking and adding distilled water?

Thanks...
Best Regards

Dr MUDHAN 28th February 2014 02:39 PM

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@Dr MUDHAN
Being a ANHC owner, I find very useful data here. Thanks for taking your time to guide us all. I have ANHC VMT 2009 which came with Amaron OE battery with Status Indicator (3rd Picture) and have not replaced yet nor it gave any problems till date.
I would like to check the water level and add distilled water if necessary, however these Amaron batteries look different then standard, semi tubular or tubular batteries. I mean the 2v x 6 distilled water cells. I guess they are inside two square caps left and right (DANGER/CAUTION, RECYCLE & etc warnings written above) but don't wanna take risk opening them.
It would be good if you provide detailed info on how to check the water level and add distilled water.
Also let me know, whether do we need to unplug battery terminals before checking and adding distilled water?
Thanks...
Best Regards






HOW TO CHECK & ADD DISTILLED WATER?


You are right!

We have to pry open those two lids to reveal the filler caps.
However, it is a Maintenance free battery; there is no need to top up with distilled water for a very long period of time unless we notice some problems. Evaporation could occur mostly due to hot environment or over charging.
Longer cranking time / few more attempts to start the engine are obvious signs that the car battery is weak. The indicator ‘charging eye ’ will go from green to grey. The volt would be 13+ instead of 14+
Most of the car battery today is not 100% Maintenance battery. They are ultra-low maintenance batteries and there is a provision to add distilled water if need be.

TO CHECK & ADD DISTILLED WATER:

Please do it in a well-ventilated area.

Wear goggles & gloves for better safety.

Clean the area around the battery terminals and the top of the battery of dirt, debris.

Open the lid / the 6 seal caps if there are by unscrewing it or using an appropriate screw driver.

Try focusing a powerful flashlight on the inner side, and see if there is any drop in the water level.
Add carefully with a syringe (Get a 20 ml disposable syringe from medical store)

Fill to the maximum safe level—avoid over filling or flowing and make sure the cell plates are covered. Some batteries have Min / Max level lines.

Always do in the morning before you start the car and better run the car for appropriate charging.

No need to unplug battery terminals as we are not going to touch the terminals by metallic object.

If required, always disconnect ground Cable first and connect it last to prevent dangerous sparks.

Honda after sale service schedule will take care of this too. You can also tell the service people to take care.

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CRACING 28th February 2014 03:47 PM

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@Dr MUDHAN

Excellent. I will try this out tomorrow morning. :)

Thanks a lot...
Best Regards

Dr MUDHAN 28th February 2014 06:19 PM

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Thanks CRACING.
Don't miss to see this video :

Adding Distilled Water to Car Battery Lead Acid - YouTube

kenlitting 1st March 2014 06:54 AM

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DR MUDHAN do add a word about certain battery life enhancing solutions /devices advertised online do they really work i mean prevent lead plate sulfation
eg see link Battery Life Enhancer

Dr MUDHAN 2nd March 2014 11:08 AM

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Thanks kenlitting for having triggered me to think & analyze over this point.


ALL ABOUT BATTERY BOOSTERS!



Much have not been proven even though some of them say it is documented. Whatever may be, whether it is really worth going for it ?

Please note the highlighted lines in their information. Boosting electrolytes by chemical additives or electronic pulsation is a very slow process and not seems to solve the acute problem immediately. I feel it is better to go for a new battery once the guaranteed life cycle is over.

I personally feel that the electromagnetic interference of lead acid battery electronic pulsar is another head ache. I still remember, how I struggled to stop the spark plug / delco coil magnetic interference to enjoy the radio in those days Premier Padmini car.

Good make batteries will have a quality components, proper maintenance is enough to take care of their life cycle. Cheap quality batteries will worn out completely and may not respond to these boosters.


ADDITIVES TO BOOST FLOODED LEAD ACID


“Adding chemicals to the electrolyte of flooded lead acid batteries can reduce the buildup of lead sulfate on the plates and improve the overall battery performance. This treatment has been in use since the 1950s (and perhaps longer) and provides a temporary performance boost for aging batteries. It’s a stopgap measure because in most cases the plates have already been worn out through shedding. Chemical additives cannot replace the active material, nor can cracked plates, corroded connectors or damaged separators be restored with an outside remedy.
Extending the service life of an aging battery is a noble desire. The additives are cheap, readily available and worth the experiment of a handyman. Suitable additives are magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt), caustic soda and EDTA. (EDTA is a crystalline acid used in industry.) These salts may reduce the internal resistance of a sulfated battery to give it a few months of extra life. Using Epsom salt, follow these easy steps:
Heat up the water to about 66°C (150°F), mix 10 heaping tablespoons of Epsom salt into the water and stir until dissolved. The consistency of the brew should vary according to the extent of the sulfation. Avoid using too much salt because a heavy concentration will increase corrosion of the lead plates and internal connectors. Pour the warm solution into the battery. Be careful not to overfill. Do not place un-dissolved Epsom salt directly into the battery because the substance does not dissolve well. In place of Epsom salt, try adding a pinch of caustic soda. Charge or equalize the battery after service. The results are not instantaneous and it may take a month for the treatment to work. The outcome is not guaranteed.”

Source : http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/additives




LEAD ACID BATTERY ELECTRONIC PULSAR


Srisms – Lead Acid Battery Life Enhancer / Rejuvenator / Re-conditioner / Saver


This is not useful if there is any short circuit in the battery or the plate’s separator is totally worn out or the battery is grown in size or over charged.
The battery voltage should be minimum 11V at the time of connecting the Pulsar (maintained for a week)
Srisms battery pulsar is designed to recondition / rejuvenate poor-functional battery or batteries which have lost their rated capacity. In this condition even exchange rate is too less. This is a12V rated one and is to be used only for 12V rated lead acid batteries only. It is better to use Srisms battery liquid along with Srisms pulsar with charger to charge the battery. In this way the battery rejuvenates at a quicker pace and the charge stays long. This is slow process and usually takes about 3 to 4 months to recondition / rejuvenate / save the battery.
Results will vary largely depending upon the function of the battery and other issues. In most conditions results will start only after two months or so. This is a slow acting principle and will not give you instant results. Not recommended to be used for newer batteries as you will not know the results of the pulsar hence recommended to be used when you find the capacity / back-up time of the inverter battery has come down or the car battery is unable to start the engine. This generally happens after the warranty period. However these conditions may change due to many factors.
NOTE: The pulsar can bring interference to other type of electronic circuits or gadgets, hence keep away any other electronic goods while operating / charging the battery with this unit

Source: Battery Life Enhancer Pulser and Additive to increase life efficiency easy starting of vehicles more inverter back up

Mathew 2nd March 2014 12:56 PM

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I got an interesting incident on my 2 year old EXIDE inverter battery. It is worth mentioning here. Our 1KVA inverter become very noisy. The inverter technician reported that one or two cells are weak, and hence it take more current. He suggested us to replace the inverter battery, which is EXIDE and have 2 years warranty. The battery technician inspected and reported that water level is over the upper level. My dad put distilled water, but it became over the upper limit. He did not realize the complications. The noise was because of the excess water level, and now working fine when the excess water taken out.

Kichu 2nd March 2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 369975)
I got an interesting incident on my 2 year old EXIDE inverter battery. It is worth mentioning here. Our 1KVA inverter become very noisy. The inverter technician reported that one or two cells are weak, and hence it take more current. He suggested us to replace the inverter battery, which is EXIDE and have 2 years warranty. The battery technician inspected and reported that water level is over the upper level. My dad put distilled water, but it became over the upper limit. He did not realize the complications. The noise was because of the excess water level, and now working fine when the excess water taken out.

How much ml of extra distilled water he poured?
Im asking you why because even thought the level exceeded was with the distilled water, what you have taken out is not the excess of water its the electrolyte of your battery. Its ok if you stored the stuff pumped out of the battery cells, so you can fill it up with the same electrolyte for the next time when is required. Or else the cell may get weak soon.

Anyways. If it is a small amount then nothing to worry much.

narik28 7th April 2014 01:20 PM

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Excellent write up with illustrations.

I too observed that most of the indica cab drivers will hitting the accelerator very hard before off the ignition.

I am not sure whether they followed this approach when their car battery is weak or for any other purpose.

Petroholic 7th April 2014 01:55 PM

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@Dr MUDHAN;
the amaron battery in my honda city zx is now 7.5 years old and refuses to die.
Some time back I was out somewhere and the following thing happened-
I was in a parking spot in a mall and was waiting for someone for around 45 mins.In this time I was listening to music ( hence consuming battery ). When I tried starting the car after 45 mins it refused to start. I had to call a scooter mechanic from nearby. That guy fiddled something in the fuse box and the car came back to life.
I then went to the amaron store and got the battery checked,surprisingly it was OK.
Since this incident I have covered around 5k kms and an entire winter. Got it checked again during service at honda ASS and they too said its OK.

On the other hand I have sometimes experienced late starting with the car.
Now I am not sure whether to change the batter or not ? On the other hand do not want to waste money and throw it if it is working fine.

So,
What are the periodic checks I can do before a long drive to ensure that the battery does not fail at faraway locations ?
And why do I sometimes experience late cranking even though everyone says that the battery is fine ?

CRACING 7th April 2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Petroholic (Post 377922)
And why do I sometimes experience late cranking even though everyone says that the battery is fine ?

Could be worn spark plug or related engine parts?

Very nice question. Would be glad to hear responses from Dr MUDHAN. [:)]


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